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	<title>Comments on: Crescendo&#8217;s two strikes, and why it matters</title>
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		<title>By: Matt Marshall</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2006/08/16/crescendos-two-strikes-and-why-it-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-5227</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Folks, here&#039;s Forbes&#039; response (and I can confirm they have seen all of the comments that preceeded this one):

&quot;Forbes&#039; Midas List is purely based on statistics (the methodology is explained on our Web site), and we work very hard to make the list a trusted 
indicator of the success of high tech dealmakers. PR firms have no influence over our reporters and no amount of PR will get a person on the list if he 
or she does not have the exits to warrant inclusion.

Regarding David Spreng at Crescendo, thank you for pointing out the error regarding Indigo. We have made the correction to our database. We strive to
be as accurate as possible but occasionally errors occur.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Folks, here&#8217;s Forbes&#8217; response (and I can confirm they have seen all of the comments that preceeded this one):</p>
<p>&#8220;Forbes&#8217; Midas List is purely based on statistics (the methodology is explained on our Web site), and we work very hard to make the list a trusted<br />
indicator of the success of high tech dealmakers. PR firms have no influence over our reporters and no amount of PR will get a person on the list if he<br />
or she does not have the exits to warrant inclusion.</p>
<p>Regarding David Spreng at Crescendo, thank you for pointing out the error regarding Indigo. We have made the correction to our database. We strive to<br />
be as accurate as possible but occasionally errors occur.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: JB</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2006/08/16/crescendos-two-strikes-and-why-it-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-5195</link>
		<dc:creator>JB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 08:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt: if Forbes gets back to you here are a couple queries that might be handy for you:
a) what explains their listing Crescendo/Spreng as one with a Midas Touch (to quote from Spreng&#039;s blurb in his bio) &quot;since 2003 (8th among VCs in 2005)&quot; when it is so transparently clear his record for that same period was just dismal, which his LPs can confirm if the public records aren&#039;t enough?
b) what explains their listing Worldview/Orsak as having the Midas Touch when he had one IPO that bombed (Cosine), numerous closures, a few sales (for less than money raised), and disaster wherever he glanced or whatever he touched (Cemaphore, Accelerant, Mirapoint)? Public shouting matches with fellow GPs (forcing them out of the firm)  and fights with entrepreneurs, management and LPS. LPs voted against him, he has stepped down as a GP at Worldview and wasn&#039;t part of raising the new fund (which the firm couldn&#039;t, as we know now), and he has ZERO successes to show.  Quite a Midas Touch there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt: if Forbes gets back to you here are a couple queries that might be handy for you:<br />
a) what explains their listing Crescendo/Spreng as one with a Midas Touch (to quote from Spreng&#8217;s blurb in his bio) &#8220;since 2003 (8th among VCs in 2005)&#8221; when it is so transparently clear his record for that same period was just dismal, which his LPs can confirm if the public records aren&#8217;t enough?<br />
b) what explains their listing Worldview/Orsak as having the Midas Touch when he had one IPO that bombed (Cosine), numerous closures, a few sales (for less than money raised), and disaster wherever he glanced or whatever he touched (Cemaphore, Accelerant, Mirapoint)? Public shouting matches with fellow GPs (forcing them out of the firm)  and fights with entrepreneurs, management and LPS. LPs voted against him, he has stepped down as a GP at Worldview and wasn&#8217;t part of raising the new fund (which the firm couldn&#8217;t, as we know now), and he has ZERO successes to show.  Quite a Midas Touch there!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Marshall</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2006/08/16/crescendos-two-strikes-and-why-it-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-5194</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have contacted Forbes for a response.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have contacted Forbes for a response.</p>
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		<title>By: aVC</title>
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		<dc:creator>aVC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 17:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would it be possible to solicit an explanation from Forbes on the inaccuracies of their &quot;Midas List&quot;?  From the sounds of it, it&#039;s more inaccurate than not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would it be possible to solicit an explanation from Forbes on the inaccuracies of their &#8220;Midas List&#8221;?  From the sounds of it, it&#8217;s more inaccurate than not.</p>
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		<title>By: DSW</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2006/08/16/crescendos-two-strikes-and-why-it-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-5192</link>
		<dc:creator>DSW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Aug 2006 15:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I question the legitimacy and accountability of Crescendo&#039;s accounting practice.  Changing rules mid-fund is absolutely irresponsible.  If every firm is allowed to gerrymander its portfolio, all funds will be in the top decile.  Every firm has the right to market themselves to potential LPs; however, going to this egregious extreme is only a disservice to the LP and GP community and only invites federal regulation involvement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I question the legitimacy and accountability of Crescendo&#8217;s accounting practice.  Changing rules mid-fund is absolutely irresponsible.  If every firm is allowed to gerrymander its portfolio, all funds will be in the top decile.  Every firm has the right to market themselves to potential LPs; however, going to this egregious extreme is only a disservice to the LP and GP community and only invites federal regulation involvement.</p>
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		<title>By: Pragma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pragma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:41:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt, good to hear Mark Perry at NEA is in dialog with you.  I&#039;m sure it will help impove the signal/noise ratio, especially with comments from readers.

A couple data points:

1) Calpers, per the chart you refer to, committed a small and a large amount to two NEA funds.  The small amount saw a negative return; what&#039;s more important is the larger commitment is seeing (so far) a neutral to positive return.  Which is good for NEA and the LPs, and explains their success in raising the new mega fund (when Worldview or Crescendo failed at much smaller amounts.)

2) Crescendo, per your update, faced a lawsuit from an LP after accepting an investment from the LP sight unseen. This was arranged by an &quot;investment manager helping Crescendo raise the cash.&quot; In the earlier discussion on Worldview Jane Morris from Veritage Group piped up to speak for Crescendo and Spreng.  Funny, the Veritage Group&#039;s business is investment management in helping VCs raise cash. Won&#039;t anyone be surprised if Jane/Veritage was the &quot;investment manager&quot; in the above Crescendo saga? Talk of self-serving interests and integrity!
3) We also saw a few self-serving postings in the earlier discussion on Worldview/Orsak wherein some executives piped up to support him.  They shut up when their hidden agenda--their independence is very questionable as they need more financing from Orsak--was exposed.

Can&#039;t wait to see Worldview, Crescendo, Bay and their likes engage in this forum. What a treat it&#039;d be to check out their Midas Touch credentials, hear from their (ex)colleagues, LPs, entrepreneurs and employees of portfolio companies, and discuss publicly their predatory, rapacious acts of commission and omission that led to the death of many companies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt, good to hear Mark Perry at NEA is in dialog with you.  I&#8217;m sure it will help impove the signal/noise ratio, especially with comments from readers.</p>
<p>A couple data points:</p>
<p>1) Calpers, per the chart you refer to, committed a small and a large amount to two NEA funds.  The small amount saw a negative return; what&#8217;s more important is the larger commitment is seeing (so far) a neutral to positive return.  Which is good for NEA and the LPs, and explains their success in raising the new mega fund (when Worldview or Crescendo failed at much smaller amounts.)</p>
<p>2) Crescendo, per your update, faced a lawsuit from an LP after accepting an investment from the LP sight unseen. This was arranged by an &#8220;investment manager helping Crescendo raise the cash.&#8221; In the earlier discussion on Worldview Jane Morris from Veritage Group piped up to speak for Crescendo and Spreng.  Funny, the Veritage Group&#8217;s business is investment management in helping VCs raise cash. Won&#8217;t anyone be surprised if Jane/Veritage was the &#8220;investment manager&#8221; in the above Crescendo saga? Talk of self-serving interests and integrity!<br />
3) We also saw a few self-serving postings in the earlier discussion on Worldview/Orsak wherein some executives piped up to support him.  They shut up when their hidden agenda&#8211;their independence is very questionable as they need more financing from Orsak&#8211;was exposed.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait to see Worldview, Crescendo, Bay and their likes engage in this forum. What a treat it&#8217;d be to check out their Midas Touch credentials, hear from their (ex)colleagues, LPs, entrepreneurs and employees of portfolio companies, and discuss publicly their predatory, rapacious acts of commission and omission that led to the death of many companies!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Marshall</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2006/08/16/crescendos-two-strikes-and-why-it-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-5190</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 08:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, that&#039;s the way it works. And it is legitimate. By writing them off, it simply means the investment doesn&#039;t help their results any. It&#039;s like if you had three chickens hatch, out of six eggs. Be definition, those three bad eggs are thown out, and you&#039;ve only produced three chickens ;)

But the analogy isn&#039;t perfect, because it still takes VCs money to produce those bad eggs, and so the money is lost. It counts toward their performance results. Now, by &quot;drawing a line in the sand&quot;, and telling your investors that you&#039;d like to treat the results of the first half of the fund differently because of exceptional post-bubble circumstances, why that&#039;s to the investors to decide whether they will go for or not. 

That&#039;s why Spreng is having a little trouble, since he initially tried to raise another fund several years ago, and didn&#039;t have much luck. I think we&#039;ll be hearing more from Primack on Monday, and I&#039;ll post a link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, that&#8217;s the way it works. And it is legitimate. By writing them off, it simply means the investment doesn&#8217;t help their results any. It&#8217;s like if you had three chickens hatch, out of six eggs. Be definition, those three bad eggs are thown out, and you&#8217;ve only produced three chickens <img src='http://venturebeat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But the analogy isn&#8217;t perfect, because it still takes VCs money to produce those bad eggs, and so the money is lost. It counts toward their performance results. Now, by &#8220;drawing a line in the sand&#8221;, and telling your investors that you&#8217;d like to treat the results of the first half of the fund differently because of exceptional post-bubble circumstances, why that&#8217;s to the investors to decide whether they will go for or not. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s why Spreng is having a little trouble, since he initially tried to raise another fund several years ago, and didn&#8217;t have much luck. I think we&#8217;ll be hearing more from Primack on Monday, and I&#8217;ll post a link.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 07:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it common for VCs to write-off bad investments in the portfolio and only count the good ones?  Are there other VC firms aside from Crescendo doing this?  This type of gerrymandering seems unfair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it common for VCs to write-off bad investments in the portfolio and only count the good ones?  Are there other VC firms aside from Crescendo doing this?  This type of gerrymandering seems unfair.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Marshall</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2006/08/16/crescendos-two-strikes-and-why-it-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-5188</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 04:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pragma.

Yes, I&#039;m ready to talk with Worldvew, Bay or Crescendo and to have a sensible conversation with them. It is difficult when you don&#039;t have their cooperation.

Side note: Regarding the latest peace on NEA, which I posted yesterday, that firm&#039;s Mark Perry got back to me, and talked on the record. I&#039;m still in correspondence with him about a few things, but it really helped clear things up -- and I&#039;d like to update the post as a result, to reflect his views on the matter. That it makes a huge difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pragma.</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;m ready to talk with Worldvew, Bay or Crescendo and to have a sensible conversation with them. It is difficult when you don&#8217;t have their cooperation.</p>
<p>Side note: Regarding the latest peace on NEA, which I posted yesterday, that firm&#8217;s Mark Perry got back to me, and talked on the record. I&#8217;m still in correspondence with him about a few things, but it really helped clear things up &#8212; and I&#8217;d like to update the post as a result, to reflect his views on the matter. That it makes a huge difference.</p>
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		<title>By: Pragma</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2006/08/16/crescendos-two-strikes-and-why-it-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-5187</link>
		<dc:creator>Pragma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;be nice to hear Dave&#039;s side of the story.

As I said in an earlier post, SiliconBeat is and provides a forum for the VCs too.  They are free to respond if they feel the comments are not factual, and extreme or critical in an unsupported manner.

Expecting them to engage in a dialog is an exercise in foolishness. If you&#039;ve worked with them you&#039;ll know they consider themselves above questions even  to LPs. Witness how LPs who questioned Mayfield or Sequoia or Accel, to name just three, were kicked out of the funds. If I remember right Matt attempted to dialog with Worldview/Crescendo/Bay and found them largely unresponsive.

SiliconBeat is playing a constructive role in leveling the field and exposing dictatorships, and that promises to usher in a better tomorrow for all: LPs, entrepreneurs, employees nad other shareholders/investors, and in turn the VCs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;be nice to hear Dave&#8217;s side of the story.</p>
<p>As I said in an earlier post, SiliconBeat is and provides a forum for the VCs too.  They are free to respond if they feel the comments are not factual, and extreme or critical in an unsupported manner.</p>
<p>Expecting them to engage in a dialog is an exercise in foolishness. If you&#8217;ve worked with them you&#8217;ll know they consider themselves above questions even  to LPs. Witness how LPs who questioned Mayfield or Sequoia or Accel, to name just three, were kicked out of the funds. If I remember right Matt attempted to dialog with Worldview/Crescendo/Bay and found them largely unresponsive.</p>
<p>SiliconBeat is playing a constructive role in leveling the field and exposing dictatorships, and that promises to usher in a better tomorrow for all: LPs, entrepreneurs, employees nad other shareholders/investors, and in turn the VCs.</p>
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		<title>By: Elan Nov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elan Nov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 21:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;d be nice to hear Dave&#039;s side of the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;d be nice to hear Dave&#8217;s side of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: SiliconBeat</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2006/08/16/crescendos-two-strikes-and-why-it-matters/comment-page-1/#comment-5196</link>
		<dc:creator>SiliconBeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 11:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Boing raises $65M; The bulging pockets of New Enterprise Associates&lt;/strong&gt;

Boingo, the southern California company that provides high-speed wireless access to hotel, airports and other public locales, has raised $65 million in a third round of funding. This is apparently a case of investment creep. Just last month, the compa...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Boing raises $65M; The bulging pockets of New Enterprise Associates</strong></p>
<p>Boingo, the southern California company that provides high-speed wireless access to hotel, airports and other public locales, has raised $65 million in a third round of funding. This is apparently a case of investment creep. Just last month, the compa&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: CB</title>
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		<dc:creator>CB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 10:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing that Spreng can blame other GP&#039;s for Crescendo&#039;s dismal record.  Isn&#039;t he the sole keyman?  Everyone knows that the buck stops at his desk.    Any investment at Crescendo needs to clear through him, and he has the final veto to block deals.  If the LPs need proof, they should ask for partnership agreements and carried interest docs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing that Spreng can blame other GP&#8217;s for Crescendo&#8217;s dismal record.  Isn&#8217;t he the sole keyman?  Everyone knows that the buck stops at his desk.    Any investment at Crescendo needs to clear through him, and he has the final veto to block deals.  If the LPs need proof, they should ask for partnership agreements and carried interest docs.</p>
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		<title>By: Fact-driven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fact-driven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spreng taking over Ejasent and Callidus from Fox and &quot;saw the company through the exits&quot; is wishful thinking on his part and his PR firm.  A true measure of a VC&#039;s contribution to his portfolio companies is how many entrepreneurs re-up with the VC on his/her next startups.  I can&#039;t think of any entrepreneurs who have resigned with Spreng.  However, there is at least 1 startup, Palo Alto Networks, founded by an entrepreneur who was previously funded by Spreng at OneSecure but did not resign with Spreng second time around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spreng taking over Ejasent and Callidus from Fox and &#8220;saw the company through the exits&#8221; is wishful thinking on his part and his PR firm.  A true measure of a VC&#8217;s contribution to his portfolio companies is how many entrepreneurs re-up with the VC on his/her next startups.  I can&#8217;t think of any entrepreneurs who have resigned with Spreng.  However, there is at least 1 startup, Palo Alto Networks, founded by an entrepreneur who was previously funded by Spreng at OneSecure but did not resign with Spreng second time around.</p>
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		<title>By: Pragma</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pragma</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the pointer to the Calpers table, Concerned Observer.

It is precisely this exchange of information, in a blog focused on Silicon Valley business and associated with the Valley&#039;s premier daily, that makes SiliconBeat so relevant to entrepreneurs, employees,  VCs and LPs.  

Imagine the value to an entrepreneur about to evaluate different VCs bidding to invest in his company.  Some VCs may not like this kind of disclosure but the genie is of the bottle and I hope Matt keeps it that way in SiliconBeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the pointer to the Calpers table, Concerned Observer.</p>
<p>It is precisely this exchange of information, in a blog focused on Silicon Valley business and associated with the Valley&#8217;s premier daily, that makes SiliconBeat so relevant to entrepreneurs, employees,  VCs and LPs.  </p>
<p>Imagine the value to an entrepreneur about to evaluate different VCs bidding to invest in his company.  Some VCs may not like this kind of disclosure but the genie is of the bottle and I hope Matt keeps it that way in SiliconBeat.</p>
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