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		<title>By: Oil Well</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oil Well</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 07:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: VentureBeat Wire &#187; Range Fuels, cellulosic ethanol start-up, looking for cash</title>
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		<dc:creator>VentureBeat Wire &#187; Range Fuels, cellulosic ethanol start-up, looking for cash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Feb 2007 15:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The company was formerly known as Kergy, which VentureBeat first reported here, when Khosla Ventures invested $3.3 million. Later, we explained how it is betting that its &#8220;thermal conversion&#8221; method, which breaks down organic matter with heat and converts it to ethanol quickly, is more efficent than other methods, which include using enzymes to break down the material. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The company was formerly known as Kergy, which VentureBeat first reported here, when Khosla Ventures invested $3.3 million. Later, we explained how it is betting that its &#8220;thermal conversion&#8221; method, which breaks down organic matter with heat and converts it to ethanol quickly, is more efficent than other methods, which include using enzymes to break down the material. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: painless</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2006 20:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a great analysis on this proposition 87 over at EconoBrowser.com

Summary: Surprise! add a tax on CA oil and you&#039;ll wind up importing more oil from abroad.


California crude oil production, like that of the United States as a whole, is on a long-term downward trend owing to the failure of new discoveries to keep up with depletion from older fields. The state produces a little over a third of the oil we consume and must import the rest from elsewhere. This proposal taxes the oil produced in California but not any of the oil that we import, giving imported oil a tax advantage relative to that produced here. If you look just at the tax incidence of the proposal, it is inconceivable that the tax change could have any effect other than to reduce the amount of oil California produces and increase the amount we import from other states or countries. And yet, proponents of Proposition 87 advance as one of their arguments the claim that the Act would reduce our dependence on imported oil!

How can it make sense to tax imported oil at a lower rate than that which is produced domestically? One argument might be that oil production has environmental externalities, and Californians prefer to see this environmental degradation occur outside our state boundaries. However, it seems clear to me that the use of oil (both in refining and combustion) entails more significant environmental externalities than production of the kind that currently takes place in California, so if that is the aim, it makes far more sense to tax the users of oil rather than its producers. Furthermore, if the effect is to replace some of the seemingly benign production around Bakersfield with Alberta tar sands or Colorado oil shale, &lt;b&gt;it seems absurd to try to justify that on the basis of environmental considerations.&lt;/b&gt;

full article here
http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2006/10/proposition_87.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a great analysis on this proposition 87 over at EconoBrowser.com</p>
<p>Summary: Surprise! add a tax on CA oil and you&#8217;ll wind up importing more oil from abroad.</p>
<p>California crude oil production, like that of the United States as a whole, is on a long-term downward trend owing to the failure of new discoveries to keep up with depletion from older fields. The state produces a little over a third of the oil we consume and must import the rest from elsewhere. This proposal taxes the oil produced in California but not any of the oil that we import, giving imported oil a tax advantage relative to that produced here. If you look just at the tax incidence of the proposal, it is inconceivable that the tax change could have any effect other than to reduce the amount of oil California produces and increase the amount we import from other states or countries. And yet, proponents of Proposition 87 advance as one of their arguments the claim that the Act would reduce our dependence on imported oil!</p>
<p>How can it make sense to tax imported oil at a lower rate than that which is produced domestically? One argument might be that oil production has environmental externalities, and Californians prefer to see this environmental degradation occur outside our state boundaries. However, it seems clear to me that the use of oil (both in refining and combustion) entails more significant environmental externalities than production of the kind that currently takes place in California, so if that is the aim, it makes far more sense to tax the users of oil rather than its producers. Furthermore, if the effect is to replace some of the seemingly benign production around Bakersfield with Alberta tar sands or Colorado oil shale, <b>it seems absurd to try to justify that on the basis of environmental considerations.</b></p>
<p>full article here<br />
<a href="http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2006/10/proposition_87.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.econbrowser.com/archives/2006/10/proposition_87.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kari Lemons</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kari Lemons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Oct 2006 05:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>California uses 23 billion gallons of gasoline per year and 6 billion gallons of Diesel fuel.
There is 5-8% of Ethanol in our fuel already. The mandate allows 10 percent, but there has not been the qauntity consistantly available to use 10%. We only have had one producing plant, with Pacific Ethanol soon to come online and others looking to build. But instead of shipping and railing the ethanol in we will ship and rail the corn here. Colusa Biomass (CLME) is one potential answer. They are building a plant that will make Ethanol out of one of California&#039;s worst agricuture air issues, what to do with the rice stubble instead of burning it, make ethanol.  

My issue with ethanol is its 20% decrease in BTU&#039;s and mileage. Then look at the cars that are now being made into flexfuel, the biggest cars in the carmakers fleet. So if the vehicle gets 18mpg on gas they are going to get 12-14mpg on E85. You are not going to get American people behind if they are going to be paying even more for monthly fuel costs. E85 vehicles should only be made in small vehicles getting over 30mpg already or be moved into ethanol hybrids and then just go all the way and do plug-in ethanol hybrid, that gets 80-100mpg

My Goal is that americans start demanding the highest mileage possible, like  ethanol, biodiesel hybrids that are plug in. People could have the size vehicles they need but using the appropriate fuel for the weight and technology. Biodiesel hybrids can be used in all mid-size to large vehicles. Diesels get excellent MPG already, are very durable and can tow anything. Just increasing our MPG to 40 gallon average on 1/4 of the cars driven in the US would be equal to the amount we import from OPEC. And we havent even starting talking about emmission reductions, or how much biofuels can stimulate local and national economies if the money we spent on importing fuel was kept here and spent here.

Even If you never drive a diesel you are affected every day buy the effects of diesel costs and emmissions. Every product you buy has been hauled in a truck at some point. 

Kari Lemons</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California uses 23 billion gallons of gasoline per year and 6 billion gallons of Diesel fuel.<br />
There is 5-8% of Ethanol in our fuel already. The mandate allows 10 percent, but there has not been the qauntity consistantly available to use 10%. We only have had one producing plant, with Pacific Ethanol soon to come online and others looking to build. But instead of shipping and railing the ethanol in we will ship and rail the corn here. Colusa Biomass (CLME) is one potential answer. They are building a plant that will make Ethanol out of one of California&#8217;s worst agricuture air issues, what to do with the rice stubble instead of burning it, make ethanol.  </p>
<p>My issue with ethanol is its 20% decrease in BTU&#8217;s and mileage. Then look at the cars that are now being made into flexfuel, the biggest cars in the carmakers fleet. So if the vehicle gets 18mpg on gas they are going to get 12-14mpg on E85. You are not going to get American people behind if they are going to be paying even more for monthly fuel costs. E85 vehicles should only be made in small vehicles getting over 30mpg already or be moved into ethanol hybrids and then just go all the way and do plug-in ethanol hybrid, that gets 80-100mpg</p>
<p>My Goal is that americans start demanding the highest mileage possible, like  ethanol, biodiesel hybrids that are plug in. People could have the size vehicles they need but using the appropriate fuel for the weight and technology. Biodiesel hybrids can be used in all mid-size to large vehicles. Diesels get excellent MPG already, are very durable and can tow anything. Just increasing our MPG to 40 gallon average on 1/4 of the cars driven in the US would be equal to the amount we import from OPEC. And we havent even starting talking about emmission reductions, or how much biofuels can stimulate local and national economies if the money we spent on importing fuel was kept here and spent here.</p>
<p>Even If you never drive a diesel you are affected every day buy the effects of diesel costs and emmissions. Every product you buy has been hauled in a truck at some point. </p>
<p>Kari Lemons</p>
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		<title>By: California Conservative &#187; Staggering Cost of the California Oil Fight</title>
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		<dc:creator>California Conservative &#187; Staggering Cost of the California Oil Fight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Oct 2006 19:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thereâ€™s so much at stake in California, because its economic clout often means other states follow its lead. To put this $100M number in perspective, thatâ€™s 40 percent of what it cost to run for U.S. president last time, according to this summary in the Mercury News (registration required) about the fight between Silicon Valley supporters (including venture capitalist Vinod Khosla) and Chevron and other oil interests.&#8221;   &#8212; Matt Marshall, VentureBeat, October 6, 2006 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Thereâ€™s so much at stake in California, because its economic clout often means other states follow its lead. To put this $100M number in perspective, thatâ€™s 40 percent of what it cost to run for U.S. president last time, according to this summary in the Mercury News (registration required) about the fight between Silicon Valley supporters (including venture capitalist Vinod Khosla) and Chevron and other oil interests.&#8221;   &#8212; Matt Marshall, VentureBeat, October 6, 2006 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Anon Coward</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anon Coward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 06:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wired has always been a great magazine. Sorry to see their editorial integrity getting bought out by some VC&#039;s financial and political clout! :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wired has always been a great magazine. Sorry to see their editorial integrity getting bought out by some VC&#8217;s financial and political clout! <img src='http://venturebeat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: niti bhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>niti bhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Oct 2006 03:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or molasses? as is being done right now in swaziland? they&#039;ve designed cooking stoves that work on green fuel made from molasses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or molasses? as is being done right now in swaziland? they&#8217;ve designed cooking stoves that work on green fuel made from molasses.</p>
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