Comments on: The Google Myth goes “pop”

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Vast.com « Technically Speaking — Sun, 05 Nov 2006 14:31:45 +0000

[...] Vast – now this is cool. It’s a site that has every classified information you could want on there. Like a gigantic classifieds page. I actually found this as, the site’s COO Kevin Laws was writing an article on the whole Google YouTube thing. It’s a good article and perspective on the whole deal, but like most of the readers – we are all pretty sick about hearing about it. GoogTube. [...]

By: Weixi

Weixi — Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:17:12 +0000

Morgan wrote:
> Another thing, how many GMail accounts are just for online storage, and how many are just for spammers to test filters?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

Who do you really think has the greater empty:active account ratio, Yahoo! or GMail? I find it difficult to believe that you did not find the statistics of Yahoo! Mail sign-ups to be wildly misleading.

By: Morgan

Morgan — Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:43:07 +0000

Another thing, how many GMail accounts are just for online storage, and how many are just for spammers to test filters? I have far more GMail accounts, at least 3, than my one Yahoo account. They have the same issues counting users that any other mail provider has.

By: Morgan

Morgan — Thu, 26 Oct 2006 01:35:28 +0000

YOAV,

“you buy it, you donâ€™t recode it.”

Google already did recode it. His point is that even with their resources they couldn’t beat YouTube. His argument had nothing to do with what you wrote, so I don’t see how it ‘popped’.

In fact none of the article is a knock on Google’s products, it just makes a point that Google’s secondary products are not great businesses. If you can find evidence that GTalk is a cash cow, for example, go ahead and pop his argument away.

By: Venture Beat Contributors » Clickers, clickers, everywhere…

Venture Beat Contributors » Clickers, clickers, everywhere… — Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:53:09 +0000

[...] [Editor’s note: We’re bringing back blogger Kevin Laws for a second post, given that his one yesterday stirred the crowd. This time he writes about click-fraud.] [...]

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kenspeckle » links for 2006-10-25 — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 23:44:09 +0000

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By: John Bradford

John Bradford — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 20:34:42 +0000

Oy, I hope you are not making business decisions based on ComScore data. Their stats have been inaccurate again and again. Take their recent claim that more than falf of MySpace visitors are now age 35 or older, which was debunked. It appears Yahoo management is making the same mistake, and is then surprised when their predictions are far off the mark.

By: Nilay

Nilay — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 17:39:27 +0000

Shivaji,

Consider these points:

1)Yahoo is able to get more customers because it has been into this business for long and has been operating successfully. It is not impossible that gmail cann’t surpass yahoo. Google compelled yahoo to provide more memory for email account holders.

2)Google might not be competing to get high number of gmail users. Without knowing their business objective, I cann’t comment on their business strategy.

3)Google is not going to indent Yahoo’s map market share overnight. Google would eventually come with its own technology as well. So let us leave it on time to see how much dent google makes in that segment.

4)Enron and IT bubble burst in early 2000 are not frequent events. Examples where stock values reflect real status of company outnumber examples where stock market show inflated confidence in the company. Exceptions aside (like Enron), we can say that google comes up with lot of promise.

By: Weixi

Weixi — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 16:44:29 +0000

Jeremy: my main point was that newly Yahoo! email accounts are quite misleading as most Yahoo! services require registration that automatically creates an email account for the user. Fantasy Sports account limits is one. Bookmarking is another. Creating separate IDs for chat is another, and so on. I don’t think it’s too far fetched to say that a majority of the Yahoo! email accounts are not even used.

By: opengl_programmer

opengl_programmer — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:40:41 +0000

that is a good question? WHO is clicking on all those banner ads? is it all the techies or is it all the average joe user who is click happy? its surely not me i know that for sure.

By: Shivaji

Shivaji — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 15:29:48 +0000

Nilay,

Yahoo might have more marketshare, but the statistic in the article was about more __NEW__ mail accounts being created in the last year, not overall number, so Yahoo being old has nothing to do with it.

“Second, you can open gmail account only through invitation, unlike yahoo. ”

So what? This just means that Google made a bad business decision.

“Third, many people have multiple accounts in yahoo to have multiple chat Ids, but their accounts are created mainly for chatting purposes.”

You can create upto five different profiles for chatting on yahoo without a need to create mail accounts for each.

“So we donâ€™t know actual no. of users who are using yahoo vs that using gmail. Also, we donâ€™t know the growth rate of no. of users in each case”

We may not know the exact no. of users and precise statistics and trends, but we have a general idea and estimates, which is what the article talks about.

About maps features, it’s net savvy people like me and you who use things like google maps, but we are like 1% of web surfers, they go with what works best for them. If it’s good enough, they go with what they’re used to, if google comes up really better (like at search), they might use google’s features. With yahoo maps beta coming up with AJAX features, I don’t think too many will make the switch to google maps.

“If yahoo is to build its strategy based on moves of google, it is indeed indicator of success of google.”

This may indicate technological success, which doesn’t always translate to financial success, which is the whole point of the article. There are thousands of bankrupt companies which achieve technological success.

“Last but not the least, marketâ€™s faith in google (in terms of stock value) is a good indicator that google is not just myth, it is a promise for better future.”

I think this is the least valid point in your comment, because many people who invest in stocks just go with the market hype. The dot com boom was a good example of this, and there was no better future inspite of spiking stocks.
Not to mention other such examples like Enron. Google executives have dumped around $7.4 billion in google stock to cash on the hype. You can read the article about it here
http://australianit.news.com.au/articles/0,7204,20177475%5E16681%5E%5Enbv%5E,00.html

By: Andrew Collez

Andrew Collez — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 14:50:07 +0000

The last time i accidentally clicked on an Adsense ad link was 18 months back.

When was the last time you clicked on an Adsense ad link?

If you and me are not clicking on Adsense links then who else is clicking on them?

6 years back i was wondering the same about banner ads…… then the truth came out….. history repeats itself…..

The reality is when you publish a webpage it is accessible to all people around the world, there is nothing called a channel in www/internet, hence nobody can collect rent on channel. Reality is traditional channel media advertisement paradigms does not work on www/internet.

It will take another 12 months for people to realize this…… Google is hot potato till then…..