Comments on: China Wars: Zhou fights back, says Alibaba’s Ma is desperate http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/ News About Tech, Money and Innovation Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:19:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Fan Zhang http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-832474 Fan Zhang Fri, 31 Oct 2008 06:06:37 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/#comment-832474 I think that business is very shady in the entire region. I think that business is very shady in the entire region.

]]> By: Global Voices Online » China: Blogs deleted, barred and officially backed http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-470752 Global Voices Online » China: Blogs deleted, barred and officially backed Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:38:45 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/#comment-470752 [...] through its violation of users’ commands to “not delete” [360]. The court ordered Alibaba to compensate the defendant eighty thousand CNY as well as to post an apology to Qihoo on [...] [...] through its violation of users’ commands to “not delete” [360]. The court ordered Alibaba to compensate the defendant eighty thousand CNY as well as to post an apology to Qihoo on [...]

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]]> By: PULSE 2.0 » Blog Archive » The Current State of Yahoo! And Where Yahoo!’s Acquisitions Since 1997 Are Now http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-7573 PULSE 2.0 » Blog Archive » The Current State of Yahoo! And Where Yahoo!’s Acquisitions Since 1997 Are Now Sat, 13 Jan 2007 23:15:05 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/#comment-7573 [...] The acquisition price was not disclosed. In 2005, a court in Beijing allowed 3721 to hear an accusation that it had against Baidu.com, another Chinese search engine company created by Robin Li. VentureBeat and the commenters of the post have an interesting discussion of Chinese based search giants. [...] [...] The acquisition price was not disclosed. In 2005, a court in Beijing allowed 3721 to hear an accusation that it had against Baidu.com, another Chinese search engine company created by Robin Li. VentureBeat and the commenters of the post have an interesting discussion of Chinese based search giants. [...]

]]> By: Qihoo - raises another $?? million for Web 2.0 search « Technically Speaking http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-6722 Qihoo - raises another $?? million for Web 2.0 search « Technically Speaking Thu, 16 Nov 2006 06:03:37 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/#comment-6722 [...] Qihoo has raised a total of $45 million and looks to be in a couple of turf wars with a company called Alibaba. Yes, that is a real company, not some Disney video. The CEO Hongyi Zhou is under fire from all sides, but on the main street view of things he has $45 million and is a leader of the Chinese internet. His company in one year’s time is about a third of the size of Baidu. [...] [...] Qihoo has raised a total of $45 million and looks to be in a couple of turf wars with a company called Alibaba. Yes, that is a real company, not some Disney video. The CEO Hongyi Zhou is under fire from all sides, but on the main street view of things he has $45 million and is a leader of the Chinese internet. His company in one year’s time is about a third of the size of Baidu. [...]

]]> By: VentureBeat » Qihoo raises $20M for new Web 2.0 search engine http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-6704 VentureBeat » Qihoo raises $20M for new Web 2.0 search engine Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:26:30 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/#comment-6704 [...] This is a victory for Qihoo’s chief executive and founder, Hongyi Zhou (pictured left), who has come under fierce personal attack from Jack Ma (pictured below), chief executive of rival, Alibaba. We reported on the controversy here, and many people told us Zhou’s fight with the Ma would tarnish his reputation — because of Ma’s clout. Alibaba operates its own search property, Yahoo China, which has sued Qihoo, and has been readying a suit against Zhou directly. [...] [...] This is a victory for Qihoo’s chief executive and founder, Hongyi Zhou (pictured left), who has come under fierce personal attack from Jack Ma (pictured below), chief executive of rival, Alibaba. We reported on the controversy here, and many people told us Zhou’s fight with the Ma would tarnish his reputation — because of Ma’s clout. Alibaba operates its own search property, Yahoo China, which has sued Qihoo, and has been readying a suit against Zhou directly. [...]

]]> By: Hitchhiker’s Guide to 650 :: Business is Personal in China :: November :: 2006 http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-6564 Hitchhiker’s Guide to 650 :: Business is Personal in China :: November :: 2006 Thu, 09 Nov 2006 00:02:03 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/#comment-6564 [...] Jack Ma and Zhou Hongyi are engaged in an epic battle that now includes a lawsuit(imagine if Jack Welsh and Steve Job hates each other to the bones). [...] [...] Jack Ma and Zhou Hongyi are engaged in an epic battle that now includes a lawsuit(imagine if Jack Welsh and Steve Job hates each other to the bones). [...]

]]> By: aeonyy http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-6533 aeonyy Wed, 08 Nov 2006 05:12:05 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/#comment-6533 I dont like Zhou, he really has no business ethics. I dont like Zhou, he really has no business ethics.

]]> By: torre http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-6532 torre Wed, 08 Nov 2006 03:50:07 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/#comment-6532 Who kidnapped Jack Ma at gunpoint when he went to Malibu on business in the 1990s? Who kidnapped Jack Ma at gunpoint when he went to Malibu on business in the 1990s?

]]> By: ChinaUser http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-6497 ChinaUser Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:37:53 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/#comment-6497 If Ma is really a desperate, Zhou should be a desperate X 2 + punk. Zhou created spyware and made a lot of chinese software programmer follow. Now day the spyware become a serious problem in China. Yahoo is eating the shit it made when they pay so much to buy a spyware company from Zhou. If Ma is really a desperate, Zhou should be a desperate X 2 + punk.

Zhou created spyware and made a lot of chinese software programmer follow. Now day the spyware become a serious problem in China.

Yahoo is eating the shit it made when they pay so much to buy a spyware company from Zhou.

]]> By: Developers who prefer Open Source instead of a proprietary http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-6488 Developers who prefer Open Source instead of a proprietary Mon, 06 Nov 2006 18:48:39 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/#comment-6488 Yahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnI said Ma is controversial but he was never questioned about his business ethics before he took over Yahoo!China. Ma refused to enter online games business as he believes online games do no good to the youth, and he hates to use porno themes in marketing and promotions. Guess what made Qihoo so hot? One, porno - full of pornographic pictures and articles. Two, the Qihoo-Yahoo twist. The Qihoo-Yahoo twist was, in my opinion, also an product deliberately designed by Zhou to draw publicity for his Qihoo Website.I said Ma is controversial but he was never questioned about his business ethics before he took over Yahoo!China. Ma refused to enter online games business as he believes online games do no good to the youth, and he hates to use porno themes in marketing and promotions. Guess what made Qihoo so hot? One, porno - full of pornographic pictures and articles. Two, the Qihoo-Yahoo twist. The Qihoo-Yahoo twist was, in my opinion, also an product deliberately designed by Zhou to draw publicity for his Qihoo Website.I said Ma is controversial but he was never questioned about his business ethics before he took over Yahoo!China. Ma refused to enter online games business as he believes online games do no good to the youth, and he hates to use porno themes in marketing and promotions. Guess what made Qihoo so hot? One, porno - full of pornographic pictures and articles. Two, the Qihoo-Yahoo twist. The Qihoo-Yahoo twist was, in my opinion, also an product deliberately designed by Zhou to draw publicity for his Qihoo Website.I said Ma is controversial but he was never questioned about his business ethics before he took over Yahoo!China. Ma refused to enter online games business as he believes online games do no good to the youth, and he hates to use porno themes in marketing and promotions. Guess what made Qihoo so hot? One, porno - full of pornographic pictures and articles. Two, the Qihoo-Yahoo twist. The Qihoo-Yahoo twist was, in my opinion, also an product deliberately designed by Zhou to draw publicity for his Qihoo Website.I said Ma is controversial but he was never questioned about his business ethics before he took over Yahoo!China. Ma refused to enter online games business as he believes online games do no good to the youth, and he hates to use porno themes in marketing and promotions. Guess what made Qihoo so hot? One, porno - full of pornographic pictures and articles. Two, the Qihoo-Yahoo twist. The Qihoo-Yahoo twist was, in my opinion, also an product deliberately designed by Zhou to draw publicity for his Qihoo Website. Yahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnYahoo.com.cnI said Ma is controversial but he was never questioned about his business ethics before he took over Yahoo!China. Ma refused to enter online games business as he believes online games do no good to the youth, and he hates to use porno themes in marketing and promotions. Guess what made Qihoo so hot? One, porno – full of pornographic pictures and articles. Two, the Qihoo-Yahoo twist. The Qihoo-Yahoo twist was, in my opinion, also an product deliberately designed by Zhou to draw publicity for his Qihoo Website.I said Ma is controversial but he was never questioned about his business ethics before he took over Yahoo!China. Ma refused to enter online games business as he believes online games do no good to the youth, and he hates to use porno themes in marketing and promotions. Guess what made Qihoo so hot? One, porno – full of pornographic pictures and articles. Two, the Qihoo-Yahoo twist. The Qihoo-Yahoo twist was, in my opinion, also an product deliberately designed by Zhou to draw publicity for his Qihoo Website.I said Ma is controversial but he was never questioned about his business ethics before he took over Yahoo!China. Ma refused to enter online games business as he believes online games do no good to the youth, and he hates to use porno themes in marketing and promotions. Guess what made Qihoo so hot? One, porno – full of pornographic pictures and articles. Two, the Qihoo-Yahoo twist. The Qihoo-Yahoo twist was, in my opinion, also an product deliberately designed by Zhou to draw publicity for his Qihoo Website.I said Ma is controversial but he was never questioned about his business ethics before he took over Yahoo!China. Ma refused to enter online games business as he believes online games do no good to the youth, and he hates to use porno themes in marketing and promotions. Guess what made Qihoo so hot? One, porno – full of pornographic pictures and articles. Two, the Qihoo-Yahoo twist. The Qihoo-Yahoo twist was, in my opinion, also an product deliberately designed by Zhou to draw publicity for his Qihoo Website.I said Ma is controversial but he was never questioned about his business ethics before he took over Yahoo!China. Ma refused to enter online games business as he believes online games do no good to the youth, and he hates to use porno themes in marketing and promotions. Guess what made Qihoo so hot? One, porno – full of pornographic pictures and articles. Two, the Qihoo-Yahoo twist. The Qihoo-Yahoo twist was, in my opinion, also an product deliberately designed by Zhou to draw publicity for his Qihoo Website.

]]> By: Inside Man http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-6486 Inside Man Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:45:20 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/#comment-6486 I said Ma is controversial but he was never questioned about his business ethics before he took over Yahoo!China. Ma refused to enter online games business as he believes online games do no good to the youth, and he hates to use porno themes in marketing and promotions. Guess what made Qihoo so hot? One, porno - full of pornographic pictures and articles. Two, the Qihoo-Yahoo twist. The Qihoo-Yahoo twist was, in my opinion, also an product deliberately designed by Zhou to draw publicity for his Qihoo Website. I said Ma is controversial but he was never questioned about his business ethics before he took over Yahoo!China. Ma refused to enter online games business as he believes online games do no good to the youth, and he hates to use porno themes in marketing and promotions. Guess what made Qihoo so hot? One, porno – full of pornographic pictures and articles. Two, the Qihoo-Yahoo twist. The Qihoo-Yahoo twist was, in my opinion, also an product deliberately designed by Zhou to draw publicity for his Qihoo Website.

]]> By: Inside Man http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-6484 Inside Man Mon, 06 Nov 2006 17:11:03 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/#comment-6484 Do you know what is Mr. Zhou's behind-the-sceens effort? He sent a lawer's letter officially to most of Chinese newspapers/online media covering the IT industry and threatened to sue if any of them dare to publish news about Yahoo's allegations against him. That was almost 3 months ago when Yahoo China first acknowledged Zhou's overt defiance. And now you know why Zhou, "Father of Hooligans", has no or little negative coverage in Chinese news media. If you can read Chinese, I suggest you search news reports about him on SINA or SOHU Websites, and read comments on every story that happened to have mentioned him. You will find yourself that there is quite an outrage directed at him. Meanwhile, WANG HONG is right, Mr. Ma or any other businessman in China, does not command such a social status/political power like you described. Ma has been a controversial person, partly because of his "big mouth" and partly of Alibaba's business model. Not very many people are convinced of his success as Alibaba are doomed to fail in their eyes. Nevertheless, Ma's Alibaba and Taobao take an almighty lead over their competitors. Ma's success itself could be a reason for Zhou's grudge. Zhou used to direct his grudge at Robin Li of Baidu.com, speaking publicly that Li was one of two persons he hated the most. Zhou regreted he did not make his 3721 a real Web search engine as Li did with Baidu.com, hence lost the greatest opportunity to Li. Indeed, 3721 was not a Web search engine at all. What it did was match an advertiser' Webpage to a keyword pre-sold to that advertiser. 3721 did not use a bot crawling the Web like a real search engine does, instead, the match was done in its indexed database established offline and manually. For this reason, 3721 was definitely not the first search engine in China. Do you know what is Mr. Zhou’s behind-the-sceens effort? He sent a lawer’s letter officially to most of Chinese newspapers/online media covering the IT industry and threatened to sue if any of them dare to publish news about Yahoo’s allegations against him. That was almost 3 months ago when Yahoo China first acknowledged Zhou’s overt defiance.
And now you know why Zhou, “Father of Hooligans”, has no or little negative coverage in Chinese news media. If you can read Chinese, I suggest you search news reports about him on SINA or SOHU Websites, and read comments on every story that happened to have mentioned him. You will find yourself that there is quite an outrage directed at him.
Meanwhile, WANG HONG is right, Mr. Ma or any other businessman in China, does not command such a social status/political power like you described. Ma has been a controversial person, partly because of his “big mouth” and partly of Alibaba’s business model. Not very many people are convinced of his success as Alibaba are doomed to fail in their eyes.
Nevertheless, Ma’s Alibaba and Taobao take an almighty lead over their competitors. Ma’s success itself could be a reason for Zhou’s grudge. Zhou used to direct his grudge at Robin Li of Baidu.com, speaking publicly that Li was one of two persons he hated the most. Zhou regreted he did not make his 3721 a real Web search engine as Li did with Baidu.com, hence lost the greatest opportunity to Li. Indeed, 3721 was not a Web search engine at all. What it did was match an advertiser’ Webpage to a keyword pre-sold to that advertiser. 3721 did not use a bot crawling the Web like a real search engine does, instead, the match was done in its indexed database established offline and manually. For this reason, 3721 was definitely not the first search engine in China.

]]> By: Matt Marshall http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-6474 Matt Marshall Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:19:08 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/#comment-6474 No, this that reference to Ma didn't come from Yahoo source. It came from chatting with folks in China, while i was there in December, and subsequent conversations. Don't forget that while Gates and Jobs are both respected, they're also despited as arrogant and conniving by many -- so this is not incompatible. No, this that reference to Ma didn’t come from Yahoo source. It came from chatting with folks in China, while i was there in December, and subsequent conversations. Don’t forget that while Gates and Jobs are both respected, they’re also despited as arrogant and conniving by many — so this is not incompatible.

]]> By: Hill http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/comment-page-1/#comment-6473 Hill Mon, 06 Nov 2006 15:09:29 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2006/11/05/china-wars-zhou-fights-back-says-alibabas-ma-is-desperate/#comment-6473 Totally agree with the guy above. Both Ma and Chou have no busienss ethnics. They have no idea about the user itself.Mareware and adware are treasures to them but nightmare to the users. BTW, yahoo China is shrunking, ebay china is dying and google china is making joking.haha. Totally agree with the guy above. Both Ma and Chou have no busienss ethnics. They have no idea about the user itself.Mareware and adware are treasures to them but nightmare to the users. BTW, yahoo China is shrunking, ebay china is dying and google china is making joking.haha.

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