Xing integrates with ZoomInfo, in move to overtake LinkedIn

(Updated with initial LinkedIn response)

xing-story.jpgXing, the Hamburg, Germany social networking site for business contacts, has just signed a deal that makes its network larger than it U.S. competitor LinkedIn.

It has announced a partnership with ZoomInfo, the largest fact-checked proprietary database in the world, of some 36 million business profiles. Xing’s two million members will now be able to search and access basic information on those profiles for free, effectively giving Xing much wider reach than LinkedIn’s 11 million members. The paperwork was signed in New York this morning, and we just got off the phone with Lars Hinrichs, Xing’s chief executive.

Xing has been putting pressure of LinkedIn for some time, having recently gone public and expanding aggressively in Europe. The accord is significant because ZoomInfo’s profiles are largely for executives in the English-speaking world, where Xing has been weak to date. [Update: However, LinkedIn has responded, saying ZoomInfo has scraped contact and other information about people without their permission, and Xing will now have to deal with privacy issues. More below.]

ZoomInfo’s profile search is the gold standard for the headhunter industry, but so far it has not been accessible without a paid membership and it has few social networking features. However, under the terms, Xing members still have to upgrade to a premium account of $5 a month in order to contact ZoomInfo people they aren’t already networked with, or to change their profiles on ZoomInfo. This is not unlike LinkedIn’s requirement that people pay for a premium membership to directly contact people not already in their network.

While Xing specializes in social networking, ZoomInfo’s value is in crawling the web, performing semantic analysis of Web pages about people, and extracting information about them to add to its database of profiles. A paying member of Xing will get full access to this information under the deal, however will not have access to most sophisticated search abilities offered by ZoomInfo. For example, while a Xing member will be able to search for a name of an IBM executive on ZoomInfo, they will not be able to search for all executives at IBM at C level. ZoomInfo effectively becomes a tool for headhunters, while Xing becomes useful for most other people.

Additionally, ZoomInfo will be launching a marketing campaign, driving its members to sign up with Xing, Hinrichs said. ZoomInfo’s 4.5 million unique monthly visitors will be able to join Xing’s network directly with a two-click process. ZoomInfo makes money from the deal from a revenue share agreement the two companies have signed.

Contact information of Xing users will continue to be protected within Xing, Hinrichs said.

We’ve sought comment from LinkedIn, and will update as necessary. [Update: LinkedIn Chairman Reid Hoffman is in transit, but did provide an initial response by email. He said "Zoominfo has scraped 36 million profiles (with lots of duplicates) and used datamining to figure out email addresses. Essentially, what this deal does, is allow Xing's users to send email or call without permission of the people that Zoominfo has scraped...I'm not sure that this is something to crow about."]

[Update II: Predictably, Bryan Burdick, COO of ZoomInfo, has responded to Hoffman's criticism. He said ZoomInfo searches for information publicly available on the Web, and simply tags and organizes it so that is more useful for searchers. ZoomInfo doesn't look behind firefalls or bot stoppers, and doesn't license any information from third-parties. "We're like Google," he said. In other words, if your contact information is out there, say on your corporate Web site, it will be in ZoomInfo. ZoomInfo lets people register and add or correct information about their profiles. ZoomInfo minimizes duplicates by requiring specific information on profiles -- such as name, current title, company and basic bio information. The resulting 36 million profiles is a subset of its 80 million names. Moreover, he said only 16 million of those profiles have contact information such as email address.]

Xing went public in December 2006. In March 2007, Xing acquired eConozco, a Spanish contact networks for professionals, and in May it launched a job marketplace.

The integration between Xing’s platform and ZoomInfo’s search engine will happen in fall.

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  • Wow, it seems Reed is a little too righteous about this. He knows very well that people with profiles in Linkedin get un-solicited calls all the time. If your name and company are listed, you will be called.

    I agree, that data mining email traffic is tinged with the seemy underbelly of recruiting known as sourcing and less desireable than finding public information on web sites though.
  • Zoominfo boasts quantity, not quality. The information scraped from any source is as equal as another source. When you take out the quality step of the human touch...you get, well zoominfo quality. 100% automation is not the key to quality. The best information, in terms of sales data comes from the right mix of human and machine. LinkedIN has an excellent solution, Broadlook Technologies has an excellent solution. The fact that I can find Donald Duck as one Zoominfo's 36 million contacts (and he is listed over 100 times), should make anyone seriously question the value of this information.

    http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.asp...

    With the merger with Zoom and Xing I guess I can now use Donald Duck to network with Mickey Mouse. Maybe Goofy wants some software?

    Does someone at Disney want to buy some serious lead generation software? We're here.

    Donato Diorio
    Founder & CEO
    Broadlook Technologies
    www.broadlook.com
  • Personally I am happy to see the data world expanding in the options that are available.

    I am a deep web researcher and expanding the capeability to access publically published data can be advantageous....if the data is relevant to what your target research requires.

    I think the next wave of tools will feature an ability to ethically harvest large masses of useable information...without sifting through the fluff.

    Time is money, for the more able and informed you might do yourself a favor and check out the Broadlook products. Uber powered, not for novices, results that will please pros.

    No...I am not on their payroll, just happy and hopeful someone will share something useful with me in return.
  • We looked into using ZoomInfo and a few other types of sites a couple of years ago. We found a lot of the information to be out dated so we chose Broadlook Profiler. It was the best of the best in terms of getting the most for your dollar. We don't have to rely on others gathering data for us. "We get it straight from the spider’s web." The companies we want information about we use Broadlook Profiler on and get it straight from their website. In the last 2 years I've personally gathered info on over 4,000 companies and collected over 70,000 contacts; which helps us when at least 1/3 of our database is probably out dated because it's just too old. Are database is over 12yrs old we started out with MRI Ware, then to MRI Link, then to CAPS. It’s hard to keep up with people moving from job to job and companies merging and splitting. But with the Broadlook tools it’s made it a snap. One of these other companies should probably be trying to partner with Broadlook instead.
  • We have found the Broadlook suite of products to be an invaluable tool for our needs. It is has become the backbone of our research process and provides the most effective tool we have found to provide current, relevant information in a defined format that is readily usable. If you haven't looked into the product
    you are missing a wealth of information that comes directly from the source - not a third party product.
  • TJ
    I was elated the last time I searched and couldn't zoom my info, I can't wait to un-xing myself and my professional contacts.Xing is determined to declare that they have more users than linkedin at all cost and this move probably will enable them to declare just that (i.e. counting freely zoomed info), but my question is for how long? I admire Mr Hinrichs as an entrepreneur, but he is beginning to epitomize a typical public company CEO, i.e make phone calls to the media to announce quick-fix style partnership to bump up his company's share price.This partnership might add to Xing's bottom line, but it will never make linkedin irrelevant or #2 period.
  • John Doe
    IF YOU HAD TO INVEST IN XING/ZOOMINFO or LINKEDIN, which would you choose?

    I CHOOSE LINKEDIN ... enough said
  • I can see what may be in this for XING, and XING members, expanding it's access to some
    36 million members (?) and opportunity to gain some presence in the US, but here are several thoughts to consider;

    I think many XING members will be disappointed to pay $5.00 per month only to learn of the true number and quality (see Donald Duck appearing 100 times comment above)of contacts in the ZOOMINFO database.

    Secondly, what is in the for ZOOMINFO again? They get paid if someone signs up for XING? Or a revenue share for convoluted ad sales on the side of ZOOM query results? I'd be pissed if I got marketed to to sign up for another business networking site.

    To reinforce sentiments shared in one of the commentors blog; With a business social networking site like linkedin; the business professional only has the mental bandwidth for only so much. Between googling, email, networking through linked-in, etc. - at some point the sales rep, executive, recruiter, business development professional needs to make call, and do business. Do we really want to create, manage and network another social networking site? Linkedin has a superb site, has the first mover advantage here in the United States, and the organic, viral marketing growth that has successfully secured 11 million profiles with only a matter of time before professionals in other geographic markets become users.

    Several parting thoughts;

    "....announces partnership with ZoomInfo, the largest fact-checked proprietary database." In reality, there is little to no fact checking...how can it when it is all automated. Was 100 instances of donald duck intentional?

    I look forward to the day when in addition to modifying my ZoomInfo profile, I able to remove it all together. Maybe I can, and I just don't know how. However, I do not remember providing permission to ZOOMINFO to have it (my profile) in there. I certainly don't remember allowing someone to profit from allowing others to access it. Maybe I will be sent a 1/36 million stock certificate.

    In addition to the real-time research capabilities that Broadlook applications enables it's users to capture what is available for websites, press releases and even online directories, it is about the data and the time it saves to gather valuable company and contact information. We do not permit our clients, nor do we aggregate peoples information for purpose of resale or access. We provide tools and training on how they can rapidly gather public available information from the web for the own sales, marketing, or recruiting usage and to help improve the quality of their database or CRM.

    As Reid mentioned in several instances, the profiles that are developed, updated, and linked are all user driven. So if someone upgrades to a level of service to email me directly, the so be it. "I asked to be in the game coach".

    Enough Ranting - I wish both companies luck. I don't see "it" yet, but I am usually the last to anyway.
  • Chris Heines
    I think this is fantastic news it is about time someone provided me with an option that will give me European contacts. I can point Broadlook at European websites but who has 3 - 4 hours to waste every time you look up a contact. Four hours of my time doesn’t guarantee I will get the correct contact either.

    Bravo to ZoomInfo for making a great product even better.
  • XING’s press release contains a lot of wishful thinking. Following the statemment of Bryan Burdick, COO of ZoomInfo it probably best describes as the “Google of people & company search”.

    In its press release XING states: “The partnership will provide XING’s 2 million-plus members with immediate access to profiles on nearly 36 million business people and 3.8 million companies directly on the XING platform.”

    REALITY: Any web user has access to ZoomInfo, in my browser its just a tab away, so for the user the added value is rather limited.


    XING states: “... XING premium members will have the ability to contact over 18 million professionals directly and securely.”

    REALITY: Above it states twice as many: 36 million business people. The difference in “18 million business people” with no direct access probably derives from the fact that ZOOMINFO does not have accurate or complete enough information on the other half of its profiles. There are also many duplicates, despite having integrated my profile on ZOOMINFO last year I pop-up as 10 “business people”. The name “Lars Hinrichs” appears 12 times, at least two of them refer to the same “Lars Hinrichs” partnering with ZOOMINFO. Last but not least, as the profiles on ZoomInfo are search results and not member profiles, the whole issue of providing “access” is non regulated. In other words, the “access” is as good as access to anyone you “google”.


    XING states: “According to Nielson/NetMetrics, ZoomInfo is the fastest growing network in the country”

    REALITY: ZoomInfo is not a network as we understand XING, Ecademy, Viadeo, Soflow, Neurona, socialBusinessClub, Academici etc to be. It’s a specialist search service.


    XING states: “XING members will also be able to manage their own online ‘brand reputation’ by monitoring their own web references to ensure accuracy and consistency.”

    REALITY: Potential business partners or employers do not rely on ZoomInfo, LinkedIn or XING. What they want is information which is not “self monitored” and therefore are likely to “google” our names. Managing your own ‘brand reputation’ is an illusion running contrary to the principles of the other great buzz word: “Web2”.


    XING states: “ZoomInfo’s 4.5 million unique monthly visitors will also be able to join XING’s business network directly with a simple two-click process.”

    REALITY: We accept that people using the internet or Google are not necessarily interested in business networks. Well, that someone uses a people search does not mean they want to JOIN a network. If they want to their will find their way to: LinkedIn, XING, Ecademy, Viadeo, iKarma, Soflow, Neurona, socialbusinessclub.com, Academici.net or elsewhere.


    XING states: “With the successful IPO of XING as the first Web 2.0 company to go public, OPEN Business Club AG has had a long-term impact on the social networking trend amongst professionals.”

    REALITY: I am nagging just because I am jealous…;-)


    Klaas Brumann

    http://fotoinsight.co.uk/
    http://fotoinsight.com/
  • Hmm...I wonder what sort of comparable deal Jigsaw will do since they too play in this space and compete w/ZoomInfo.
  • All of these press releases about this deal crack me up. Xing partnering with a company that scrapes out-dated information about people (and apparently cartoon caricatures) all of a sudden makes it the largest business network in the world? If it was that easy, why didn't ZoomInfo add some simple social networking features to their site and make the same claim?

    I feel sorry for the Xing investors who are already being led to believe that their company now has 38 million users. Makes me begin to wonder whether their prior claim of 2 million users is even true.

    The key to any good social or business networking website is the amount of activity happening on the network (connections, content being added, etc.). Simply collecting information that has been scraped from the Internet using harvesting software does not create value... and certainly doesn't make for a business network.

    Finally, can someone tell me... is the company pronounced "Zing" or "Crossing".
  • I'm a member of Xing. I need someone to explain to me why this partnership helps me and my business.

    To my knowledge, I can already use ZoomInfo by typing "www.zoominfo.com" into a separate browser.

    Where's the value?
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