Comments on: Zend tries to put more PHP into the workplace http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/ News About Tech, Money and Innovation Tue, 24 Nov 2009 02:54:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Matt http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/comment-page-1/#comment-820854 Matt Sat, 12 Jul 2008 13:25:51 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/#comment-820854 @Tom If you want performance use Java or C++, if you want to build websites use PHP or Python. If you want to process text files, use AWK or Perl (AWK is faster). @Tom

If you want performance use Java or C++, if you want to build websites use PHP or Python. If you want to process text files, use AWK or Perl (AWK is faster).

]]> By: Tom http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/comment-page-1/#comment-384271 Tom Fri, 27 Jul 2007 02:25:54 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/#comment-384271 Steve - mod_perl or FastCGI for Perl will give you better performance than Zend for PHP. Steve – mod_perl or FastCGI for Perl will give you better performance than Zend for PHP.

]]> By: Steve http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/comment-page-1/#comment-364811 Steve Wed, 04 Jul 2007 23:36:12 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/#comment-364811 Any tool or firm for Perl like Zend for PHP? Thanks. Any tool or firm for Perl like Zend for PHP? Thanks.

]]> By: Berislav Lopac http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/comment-page-1/#comment-364173 Berislav Lopac Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:11:49 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/#comment-364173 For my part, I'm quite fine with technical details being left out from articels on VentureBeat; however, especially because most of the audience here has limited technical knowledge, overly simplified conclusions and comparisons should be avoided. People tend to think in comparative terms, that's normal, but IMO it could easily be dangerous. The bottom line is that decisions about which technology to use should not be based on simplified comparisons, not even on a single expert's opinion (as developers, like all people, tend to have personal favorites), but instead one should look into the problem being solved, review all the options and then base the decision on the quality of solution in that context, as well as the availability of resources. For my part, I’m quite fine with technical details being left out from articels on VentureBeat; however, especially because most of the audience here has limited technical knowledge, overly simplified conclusions and comparisons should be avoided. People tend to think in comparative terms, that’s normal, but IMO it could easily be dangerous.

The bottom line is that decisions about which technology to use should not be based on simplified comparisons, not even on a single expert’s opinion (as developers, like all people, tend to have personal favorites), but instead one should look into the problem being solved, review all the options and then base the decision on the quality of solution in that context, as well as the availability of resources.

]]> By: Roj Niyogi http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/comment-page-1/#comment-364149 Roj Niyogi Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:29:46 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/#comment-364149 MVC frameworks will take PHP much further than it has already come. Our team in India is now developing on the CodeIgniter framework (which is compatible with PHP4) and quite snappy. The idea behind frameworks allow a level of consistency in coding practice (whether you're using RoR or PHP) so that reading through spaghetti code is no longer a concern. MVC frameworks will take PHP much further than it has already come. Our team in India is now developing on the CodeIgniter framework (which is compatible with PHP4) and quite snappy. The idea behind frameworks allow a level of consistency in coding practice (whether you’re using RoR or PHP) so that reading through spaghetti code is no longer a concern.

]]> By: Nick Gerner http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/comment-page-1/#comment-363525 Nick Gerner Tue, 03 Jul 2007 19:22:14 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/#comment-363525 Nice post, nice graph. But, PHP 5 not compatible with PHP 4? That's note quite right. I ported an app from PHP 4 to PHP 5 and about the only thing I had to change was some capitalization in some reflection I was doing. But then, I shouldn't have been doing reflection anyway. I've had to do more changes moving from MySQL 3 to 4, or .NET 2 to 3. Or much worse, IE 6 to 7 ;) Nice post, nice graph.

But, PHP 5 not compatible with PHP 4? That’s note quite right. I ported an app from PHP 4 to PHP 5 and about the only thing I had to change was some capitalization in some reflection I was doing. But then, I shouldn’t have been doing reflection anyway. I’ve had to do more changes moving from MySQL 3 to 4, or .NET 2 to 3. Or much worse, IE 6 to 7 ;)

]]> By: Eric Eldon http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/comment-page-1/#comment-362887 Eric Eldon Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:57:07 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/#comment-362887 Berislav, Zend's framework clearly adopts the MVC method used by Ruby on Rails and other dynamic languages in order to simplify the development process on PHP. Because the point of the article is to consider the business potential of the framework, I think a high-level comparison between various languages is relevant. But I appreciate what you're saying... I decided to cut out a significant part of the article that went into more detail on the pros and cons of PHP. I didn't think enough readers would want to hear about it here. Berislav and everyone: is that right, or do you want more technical discussion/detail in these articles? Berislav, Zend’s framework clearly adopts the MVC method used by Ruby on Rails and other dynamic languages in order to simplify the development process on PHP. Because the point of the article is to consider the business potential of the framework, I think a high-level comparison between various languages is relevant.

But I appreciate what you’re saying… I decided to cut out a significant part of the article that went into more detail on the pros and cons of PHP. I didn’t think enough readers would want to hear about it here.

Berislav and everyone: is that right, or do you want more technical discussion/detail in these articles?

]]> By: Berislav Lopac http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/comment-page-1/#comment-362873 Berislav Lopac Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:28:33 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/#comment-362873 Just some clarifications in regards to your second sentence: PHP is a Web-specialized development technology, and as such it already has for a long time been at least peer, and in many ways superior, to Java and .NET (which are generic technologies trying to cover most of the modern software development needs). And as for Ruby on Rails, it is a framework quite different in focus than either PHP or Zend Framework. RoR is oriented towards quick development of simple CRUD (create, read, update, delete) Web applications, while ZF introduces a number of more generic tools that have been lacking in the PHP's standard library, especially in terms of object-oriented programming (PHP supports both procedural and OO style of programming). I'm always disturbed by the simplified comparisons of apples and oranges which are often used by media when it comes to programming technologies, especially in regards to Web development. It's not really fair to compare these things, because it's like comparing planes, ships and cars: all those things will take you to a destination, but each will have a different set of advantages in different situations. Or, as has been put a long ago, there's no silver bullet. Just some clarifications in regards to your second sentence: PHP is a Web-specialized development technology, and as such it already has for a long time been at least peer, and in many ways superior, to Java and .NET (which are generic technologies trying to cover most of the modern software development needs).

And as for Ruby on Rails, it is a framework quite different in focus than either PHP or Zend Framework. RoR is oriented towards quick development of simple CRUD (create, read, update, delete) Web applications, while ZF introduces a number of more generic tools that have been lacking in the PHP’s standard library, especially in terms of object-oriented programming (PHP supports both procedural and OO style of programming).

I’m always disturbed by the simplified comparisons of apples and oranges which are often used by media when it comes to programming technologies, especially in regards to Web development. It’s not really fair to compare these things, because it’s like comparing planes, ships and cars: all those things will take you to a destination, but each will have a different set of advantages in different situations.

Or, as has been put a long ago, there’s no silver bullet.

]]> By: Roy http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/comment-page-1/#comment-362805 Roy Tue, 03 Jul 2007 05:37:28 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/02/zend-tries-to-put-more-php-into-the-workplace/#comment-362805 Great post Eric. As a PHP development firm, we have been waiting for this day for a long time. The release of the framework and Zend's continued commitment to make PHP a viable option in the enterprise is a blessing for the commercial service providers in the PHP community. Roy www.varien.com www.magentocommerce.com Great post Eric. As a PHP development firm, we have been waiting for this day for a long time. The release of the framework and Zend’s continued commitment to make PHP a viable option in the enterprise is a blessing for the commercial service providers in the PHP community.

Roy
http://www.varien.com
http://www.magentocommerce.com

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