<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Hiring staff in India may not be worth it</title>
	<atom:link href="http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/</link>
	<description>News About Tech, Money and Innovation</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 20:47:38 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5</generator>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-797652</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/#comment-797652</guid>
		<description>I am contacting you through this contact form as there was no email address available. We would be interested in purchasing advertising on your blog http://venturebeat.com. Please get back to me using the email address I have entered if you would be interested in discussing this further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am contacting you through this contact form as there was no email address available. We would be interested in purchasing advertising on your blog <a href="http://venturebeat.com" rel="nofollow">http://venturebeat.com</a>. Please get back to me using the email address I have entered if you would be interested in discussing this further.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-796354</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 21:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/#comment-796354</guid>
		<description>I am contacting you through this contact form as there was no email address available. We would be interested in purchasing advertising on your blog http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/
. Please get back to me using the email address I have entered if you would be interested in discussing this further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am contacting you through this contact form as there was no email address available. We would be interested in purchasing advertising on your blog <a href="http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/" rel="nofollow">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/</a><br />
. Please get back to me using the email address I have entered if you would be interested in discussing this further.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dr Vision</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-554024</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Vision</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 01:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/#comment-554024</guid>
		<description>Munjal Shah wants to create &quot;waves&quot;, news stories and precious publicity all without spending a cent. I do not know why he shut down the India office but his reason seems too melodramatic. There are tons of startups shifting their operations and it seems to work out well. I dont think even IITians take home 75% of their US counterparts, maybe he paid one of the returning PhDs a $75k and assuming such PhDs get a mere $100k, he made up the statement. Anyway it cost him all the money, (but the WSJ article was worth it i guess) and I hope he gave the leaving employees a good deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Munjal Shah wants to create &#8220;waves&#8221;, news stories and precious publicity all without spending a cent. I do not know why he shut down the India office but his reason seems too melodramatic. There are tons of startups shifting their operations and it seems to work out well. I dont think even IITians take home 75% of their US counterparts, maybe he paid one of the returning PhDs a $75k and assuming such PhDs get a mere $100k, he made up the statement. Anyway it cost him all the money, (but the WSJ article was worth it i guess) and I hope he gave the leaving employees a good deal.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-440610</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2007 20:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/#comment-440610</guid>
		<description>I don&#039;t know WTF you guys are talking about? With 7 years of IT exp I am getting $24k now here in India. I know companies at Indore that have programmers working for as low as $2.5k. You are comparing bunch of demanding IITians with other (probably as bright if not more) graduates. How many IITians does India produce every year compared to Engineers/Computer Graduates from other schools? Shitty rumors!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know WTF you guys are talking about? With 7 years of IT exp I am getting $24k now here in India. I know companies at Indore that have programmers working for as low as $2.5k. You are comparing bunch of demanding IITians with other (probably as bright if not more) graduates. How many IITians does India produce every year compared to Engineers/Computer Graduates from other schools? Shitty rumors!</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ranjit Mulgaonkar</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-367785</link>
		<dc:creator>Ranjit Mulgaonkar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jul 2007 22:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/#comment-367785</guid>
		<description>I totally disagree with the decision Mr. Shah made. IMHO Indian operations are well worth the investment if you know what you are doing. 

I have been involved in outsourcing and running Indian subsidiaries for companies in USA for a long time.

I set up a brand new subsidiary for a software company in Seattle a year and a half ago in Pune India. We currently have 30 software engineers in the office, have not lost a single employee in one year and average salary is $12.5K (3-5 years experience). Although salaries are going up due to demand, in my experience Indian operations are well worth the investment. We operate our subsidiary at 15% of the US cost. 

Here are a few things I would like to share - 

1.	Find right location– forget Bangalore, Chennai, Mumbai and Hyderabad. Too much competition and high cost of living. I have been using Pune as the preferred location very successfully. 
2.	Make Indian operations part of your global operations - This means constant communication, frequent visits, involving the employees in the big picture. I personally make 4 trips to India each year and spend 4 weeks each time. We have others in our organization traveling to and from India all the time. We use phones, emails, IMs and video conferences on regular basis. Communication is the biggest challenge and it required extra effort. 
3.	Hire carefully - Our VP of engineering and I personally hired all the employees and we are very picky. We get the employees involved in hiring the new team members. We also have a “buddy bonus” – we are getting great new employees through this program. The quality of work produced in India is as good as the one we produce in our US office – but it takes some time and requires a development process that everyone follows.  Unless absolutely necessary, hire local candidates. Family plays very important role and out of town candidates tend to leave if there are problems with family (sick parents). 
4.	Treat them well - We must treat employees in the India offices well. We offer them same benefits as our employees in the US office. They have Xboxes, parties; flex hours, comp time, cricket team, rewards program and bonus program based on the length of the employment. Although money plays a very important role, many professionals are looking for great company to work for, great technology, on-going training, chance to visit US, great management. 
5.	Expand over time - We started with small development, QA activities a year and a half ago; today we develop 60% of all our software in India including design and architecture, QA, support (7X24). 
Feel free to contact me – Ranjit_mulgaonkar@yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally disagree with the decision Mr. Shah made. IMHO Indian operations are well worth the investment if you know what you are doing. </p>
<p>I have been involved in outsourcing and running Indian subsidiaries for companies in USA for a long time.</p>
<p>I set up a brand new subsidiary for a software company in Seattle a year and a half ago in Pune India. We currently have 30 software engineers in the office, have not lost a single employee in one year and average salary is $12.5K (3-5 years experience). Although salaries are going up due to demand, in my experience Indian operations are well worth the investment. We operate our subsidiary at 15% of the US cost. </p>
<p>Here are a few things I would like to share &#8211; </p>
<p>1.	Find right location– forget Bangalore, Chennai, Mumbai and Hyderabad. Too much competition and high cost of living. I have been using Pune as the preferred location very successfully.<br />
2.	Make Indian operations part of your global operations &#8211; This means constant communication, frequent visits, involving the employees in the big picture. I personally make 4 trips to India each year and spend 4 weeks each time. We have others in our organization traveling to and from India all the time. We use phones, emails, IMs and video conferences on regular basis. Communication is the biggest challenge and it required extra effort.<br />
3.	Hire carefully &#8211; Our VP of engineering and I personally hired all the employees and we are very picky. We get the employees involved in hiring the new team members. We also have a “buddy bonus” – we are getting great new employees through this program. The quality of work produced in India is as good as the one we produce in our US office – but it takes some time and requires a development process that everyone follows.  Unless absolutely necessary, hire local candidates. Family plays very important role and out of town candidates tend to leave if there are problems with family (sick parents).<br />
4.	Treat them well &#8211; We must treat employees in the India offices well. We offer them same benefits as our employees in the US office. They have Xboxes, parties; flex hours, comp time, cricket team, rewards program and bonus program based on the length of the employment. Although money plays a very important role, many professionals are looking for great company to work for, great technology, on-going training, chance to visit US, great management.<br />
5.	Expand over time &#8211; We started with small development, QA activities a year and a half ago; today we develop 60% of all our software in India including design and architecture, QA, support (7X24).<br />
Feel free to contact me – <a href="mailto:Ranjit_mulgaonkar@yahoo.com">Ranjit_mulgaonkar@yahoo.com</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Sandman</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-365031</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 04:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/#comment-365031</guid>
		<description>Wow ... Running multiple cross-cultural R &amp; D centers is an art. Very obvious that Shah couldnt make it work. Lot of good tips are mentioned here by other folks. Would like to add two more 
1) encourage/put a process in place for India engineers to visit the US for short periods and regularly. Account for this in your travel budget.
2) Do not build entire engg/R&amp;D in India. This is a recipe for failure. Do not outsource blindly as well. India co&#039;s need a lot of hand holding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8230; Running multiple cross-cultural R &amp; D centers is an art. Very obvious that Shah couldnt make it work. Lot of good tips are mentioned here by other folks. Would like to add two more<br />
1) encourage/put a process in place for India engineers to visit the US for short periods and regularly. Account for this in your travel budget.<br />
2) Do not build entire engg/R&amp;D in India. This is a recipe for failure. Do not outsource blindly as well. India co&#8217;s need a lot of hand holding.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: startups-review</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-365011</link>
		<dc:creator>startups-review</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 04:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/#comment-365011</guid>
		<description>Yes I have also read Munjal&#039;s blog, few months back. I know Munjal from Andale, where he raised 70 mil and then in Riya where he raised 20 mil. 
I see Munjal as a failure in both the business. Today like.com earns 2k-3k per day from affiliate clicks. My experience is that building up such a business is easy and dose not need 20 mil. I am sure many in Andale (aquired by Vendio) will belive this, you must have heard that Mujual was thrown out from Andale by the board of Directors. 
Now some more incite into Riya&#039;s Bangalore office- 

- The 1st person to be hired was Head of india office and She was a HR/Admin in Andale. There was something fishy about a HR/admin being placed as the head of an IT/technology company, when this news 1st broke. She never could lead a team of engineers and most of the folks fooled her. 
- More the 50% of the employees were hired from Andale. I story one of the employee who was hired was getting salary of 9 lakh and his offer at riya way 17 lakh. 
- There were 2 system admin and one of them left. The one who was left bargained with double the salary what he had. 
- Munjal and most importantly Azhar use to come to India, but most of them where found in pub and talking about women etc,... 
- Munaj and the HR lady started the concept of WORK from home. And the folks freak out big time in bangalore. I know one of them has a alternate business. He use to earn 14 lakh from Riya and runs a Restaurant in Bangalore. well he said me, he works from home. Munjal should understand that work from home dose not work in India . 
- I heard that Munjal use to change his business plans over a single day. The way he changed the idea to close the Bangalore office.  He hired 3 folks on monday and board meeting was in Tuesday. By Next monday Munjal was in india (Bombay) with Azhar and the HR lady.(not sure what they were doing there ;-). And tuesday they broke the news to shut down the office. 

well that all i have to say. Munjal is a good story teller so the less we belive him is good. 
thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I have also read Munjal&#8217;s blog, few months back. I know Munjal from Andale, where he raised 70 mil and then in Riya where he raised 20 mil.<br />
I see Munjal as a failure in both the business. Today like.com earns 2k-3k per day from affiliate clicks. My experience is that building up such a business is easy and dose not need 20 mil. I am sure many in Andale (aquired by Vendio) will belive this, you must have heard that Mujual was thrown out from Andale by the board of Directors.<br />
Now some more incite into Riya&#8217;s Bangalore office- </p>
<p>- The 1st person to be hired was Head of india office and She was a HR/Admin in Andale. There was something fishy about a HR/admin being placed as the head of an IT/technology company, when this news 1st broke. She never could lead a team of engineers and most of the folks fooled her.<br />
- More the 50% of the employees were hired from Andale. I story one of the employee who was hired was getting salary of 9 lakh and his offer at riya way 17 lakh.<br />
- There were 2 system admin and one of them left. The one who was left bargained with double the salary what he had.<br />
- Munjal and most importantly Azhar use to come to India, but most of them where found in pub and talking about women etc,&#8230;<br />
- Munaj and the HR lady started the concept of WORK from home. And the folks freak out big time in bangalore. I know one of them has a alternate business. He use to earn 14 lakh from Riya and runs a Restaurant in Bangalore. well he said me, he works from home. Munjal should understand that work from home dose not work in India .<br />
- I heard that Munjal use to change his business plans over a single day. The way he changed the idea to close the Bangalore office.  He hired 3 folks on monday and board meeting was in Tuesday. By Next monday Munjal was in india (Bombay) with Azhar and the HR lady.(not sure what they were doing there <img src='http://venturebeat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> . And tuesday they broke the news to shut down the office. </p>
<p>well that all i have to say. Munjal is a good story teller so the less we belive him is good.<br />
thanks</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: passionate</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-364397</link>
		<dc:creator>passionate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/#comment-364397</guid>
		<description>IBM gearing up to lay off over 100000 American employees and hire in China &amp; India. 
What gives?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IBM gearing up to lay off over 100000 American employees and hire in China &amp; India.<br />
What gives?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: raj</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-364393</link>
		<dc:creator>raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/#comment-364393</guid>
		<description>75% does sound high. However, I have a friend living in Bangalore (who left Ohio) and he says that what is happening is that engineers hear that one person is getting more so they jump ship or simply ask for more. As an aftereffect of B-lore being so popular as a base, the cost of living has risen drastically, too. This is fueling demands for higher rates.

Apparently, though, some Indian companies having been outsourcing some work to China, and Indian workers are moving there. I unfortunately didn&#039;t record any reference URLs, but these are tidbits I&#039;ve read elsewhere in the past year, or received from friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>75% does sound high. However, I have a friend living in Bangalore (who left Ohio) and he says that what is happening is that engineers hear that one person is getting more so they jump ship or simply ask for more. As an aftereffect of B-lore being so popular as a base, the cost of living has risen drastically, too. This is fueling demands for higher rates.</p>
<p>Apparently, though, some Indian companies having been outsourcing some work to China, and Indian workers are moving there. I unfortunately didn&#8217;t record any reference URLs, but these are tidbits I&#8217;ve read elsewhere in the past year, or received from friends.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Appsaholic</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-364141</link>
		<dc:creator>Appsaholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/#comment-364141</guid>
		<description>Read the comments and you&#039;ll see the backlash against his statements.  Riya hiring the folks they hired and then coming to the conclusion that they should bail out of the COUNTRY is like somebody coming to the US, hiring MIT/Stanford engineers and saying &quot;sorry, the US isn&#039;t for me&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the comments and you&#8217;ll see the backlash against his statements.  Riya hiring the folks they hired and then coming to the conclusion that they should bail out of the COUNTRY is like somebody coming to the US, hiring MIT/Stanford engineers and saying &#8220;sorry, the US isn&#8217;t for me&#8221;.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kora</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-364113</link>
		<dc:creator>Kora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/#comment-364113</guid>
		<description>I wonder why WSJ is wasting it&#039;s space and energy covering about some small venture funded company ( with no direction :), yeah they changed thier plan twice ).

That 75% seems to absurd for an average Indian engineer. May be Phd&#039;s and IIT  Comp/Electronics grad&#039;s demand and deservce ( may be even more , around 125% of US sal levels period ).  

Didn&#039;t people listen to NRN&#039;s comment that he asked his son to keep Stanford/Harvard as a backup if doesn&#039;t get into IIT&#039;s. 

Bottomline just because he went wrong in his execution ( the Indian team) he can&#039;t complain that India is not cheaper etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why WSJ is wasting it&#8217;s space and energy covering about some small venture funded company ( with no direction <img src='http://venturebeat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> , yeah they changed thier plan twice ).</p>
<p>That 75% seems to absurd for an average Indian engineer. May be Phd&#8217;s and IIT  Comp/Electronics grad&#8217;s demand and deservce ( may be even more , around 125% of US sal levels period ).  </p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t people listen to NRN&#8217;s comment that he asked his son to keep Stanford/Harvard as a backup if doesn&#8217;t get into IIT&#8217;s. </p>
<p>Bottomline just because he went wrong in his execution ( the Indian team) he can&#8217;t complain that India is not cheaper etc.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Kannan</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-364039</link>
		<dc:creator>Kannan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 05:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/#comment-364039</guid>
		<description>I think Riya&#039;s failure might also have had to do with the nature of its product. When I first read about them, I thought their chances of success was slim (automatic face recognition is an extremely difficult problem). Some friends I spoke to (in Bangalore) also had the view that Riya was overhyping its technology and pretending they had solved a very hard problem. Just because they are a Silicon valley startup doesnt mean the best in India want to work with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Riya&#8217;s failure might also have had to do with the nature of its product. When I first read about them, I thought their chances of success was slim (automatic face recognition is an extremely difficult problem). Some friends I spoke to (in Bangalore) also had the view that Riya was overhyping its technology and pretending they had solved a very hard problem. Just because they are a Silicon valley startup doesnt mean the best in India want to work with them.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Absolut</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-364023</link>
		<dc:creator>Absolut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 05:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/#comment-364023</guid>
		<description>On the contary I think H1-B&#039;s who gets paid the same wage as any other employee here demonstrates that they are good if not better than locals. I have seen H1-B&#039;s work harder , smarter and faster, They work like that because our great immigration system has developed sophisticated methods to chain them with the carrot of &quot;Green Card&quot;. They are the best possible employees that a company in USA can expect. Also *some* of them do take lower wages though most of them can switch employers by doing a H1B transfer. Plus they give social security taxes - the benifits of which they are not entitled to because of their temporary status - therefore we can enjoy those funds when we are old. The best thing therefore in my view for us is to let H1B&#039;s come and let the competition develop in my backyard rather than in the monkeyland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the contary I think H1-B&#8217;s who gets paid the same wage as any other employee here demonstrates that they are good if not better than locals. I have seen H1-B&#8217;s work harder , smarter and faster, They work like that because our great immigration system has developed sophisticated methods to chain them with the carrot of &#8220;Green Card&#8221;. They are the best possible employees that a company in USA can expect. Also *some* of them do take lower wages though most of them can switch employers by doing a H1B transfer. Plus they give social security taxes &#8211; the benifits of which they are not entitled to because of their temporary status &#8211; therefore we can enjoy those funds when we are old. The best thing therefore in my view for us is to let H1B&#8217;s come and let the competition develop in my backyard rather than in the monkeyland.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: BeenThereDoneThat</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-363889</link>
		<dc:creator>BeenThereDoneThat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 02:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/#comment-363889</guid>
		<description>I can say with absolute confidence that Munjal Shah doesn&#039;t know what he is talking about. I have built teams in India - no, not $X/hr services teams - but as part of real product companies. I have gotten enormous value, and some really dedicated motivated teams.

As an earlier poster put it, it all comes down to management. Munjal has just demonstrated perfectly well how not execute an India strategy. It is immaterial that he has ethnic Indian background - I have known white Americans who have succeeded in building outstanding teams in India, and I have known Indians who failed miserably. Management, vision, culture, strategy - all of those things matter. Here is a hint: have you enabled a system in which your team in India can operate with complete self-respect and self-confidence?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can say with absolute confidence that Munjal Shah doesn&#8217;t know what he is talking about. I have built teams in India &#8211; no, not $X/hr services teams &#8211; but as part of real product companies. I have gotten enormous value, and some really dedicated motivated teams.</p>
<p>As an earlier poster put it, it all comes down to management. Munjal has just demonstrated perfectly well how not execute an India strategy. It is immaterial that he has ethnic Indian background &#8211; I have known white Americans who have succeeded in building outstanding teams in India, and I have known Indians who failed miserably. Management, vision, culture, strategy &#8211; all of those things matter. Here is a hint: have you enabled a system in which your team in India can operate with complete self-respect and self-confidence?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: India Veteran</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/comment-page-1/#comment-363877</link>
		<dc:creator>India Veteran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 02:02:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://venturebeat.com/2007/07/03/hiring-staff-in-india-no-longer-worth-it/#comment-363877</guid>
		<description>Offshoring of software development to India is no longer a no-brainer decision - the cost has gone up significantly and so has the overall quality and capabilities of the engineers...  

Software product startups typically require engineers at the higher end of the spectrum, so it&#039;s a different ballgame than the &quot;masses of asses&quot; approach that a larger IT organization can afford ;)  As mentioned by some of the posters, esp &quot;Al&quot;, it is certainly feasible to build a very productive and creative sw dev team in India at costs that are lower than the US...

In Riya&#039;s case, the indian engineers with &quot;$75K salaries&quot; had advanced oveseas degrees and competing US job offers (PhD from France for Mr Dalal mentioned in the article and job offers from Google etc).  That&#039;s the top 0.01% of the engineers, 99.9+% of the engineers in India get paid much lower.  And, salaries are often 20-30%+ lower in towns not named Bangalore (or Bangaluru;).

The WSJ article has generalized the unique situation of Riya&#039;s top tier engineers and some of the news stories triggered from this article (incld some TV stations) seem to indicate the $75K to be normal salary in India.

Here&#039;s the full article if you forgot to renew your WSJ subscription:

http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mw/view/mw/en/page94?oid=144480&amp;sn=Detail</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Offshoring of software development to India is no longer a no-brainer decision &#8211; the cost has gone up significantly and so has the overall quality and capabilities of the engineers&#8230;  </p>
<p>Software product startups typically require engineers at the higher end of the spectrum, so it&#8217;s a different ballgame than the &#8220;masses of asses&#8221; approach that a larger IT organization can afford <img src='http://venturebeat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   As mentioned by some of the posters, esp &#8220;Al&#8221;, it is certainly feasible to build a very productive and creative sw dev team in India at costs that are lower than the US&#8230;</p>
<p>In Riya&#8217;s case, the indian engineers with &#8220;$75K salaries&#8221; had advanced oveseas degrees and competing US job offers (PhD from France for Mr Dalal mentioned in the article and job offers from Google etc).  That&#8217;s the top 0.01% of the engineers, 99.9+% of the engineers in India get paid much lower.  And, salaries are often 20-30%+ lower in towns not named Bangalore (or Bangaluru;).</p>
<p>The WSJ article has generalized the unique situation of Riya&#8217;s top tier engineers and some of the news stories triggered from this article (incld some TV stations) seem to indicate the $75K to be normal salary in India.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the full article if you forgot to renew your WSJ subscription:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mw/view/mw/en/page94?oid=144480&amp;sn=Detail" rel="nofollow">http://www.moneyweb.co.za/mw/view/mw/en/page94?oid=144480&amp;sn=Detail</a></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
