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		<title>By: Top Soft News &#187; Bittorent pirates shut down</title>
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		<dc:creator>Top Soft News &#187; Bittorent pirates shut down</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 11:44:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: September 27, 2007 at</title>
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		<dc:creator>September 27, 2007 at</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 22:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Will N.</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/25/bittorrent-pirates-shut-down-will-joost-get-a-boost/comment-page-1/#comment-554738</link>
		<dc:creator>Will N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:39:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;thus lose a lot of fringe users who visit these sites because they’re convenient. &quot;

I think what you&#039;re missing here is that BitTorrennt networks aren&#039;t just data networks, but social networks. the &quot;fringe&quot; or more appropriately, &quot;casual&quot; user almost always is mentored into bittorrenting via a more core user. 

Almost every core BT user I know has 6-12 casual users that turn to him for recommendations for replacements when a major tracker goes down and they are, overwhelmingly, sharing even more after such an event, many becoming &quot;core&quot; users themselves. At least, this has been the experience of myself and other core BT users I know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;thus lose a lot of fringe users who visit these sites because they’re convenient. &#8221;</p>
<p>I think what you&#8217;re missing here is that BitTorrennt networks aren&#8217;t just data networks, but social networks. the &#8220;fringe&#8221; or more appropriately, &#8220;casual&#8221; user almost always is mentored into bittorrenting via a more core user. </p>
<p>Almost every core BT user I know has 6-12 casual users that turn to him for recommendations for replacements when a major tracker goes down and they are, overwhelmingly, sharing even more after such an event, many becoming &#8220;core&#8221; users themselves. At least, this has been the experience of myself and other core BT users I know.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Morrison</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/25/bittorrent-pirates-shut-down-will-joost-get-a-boost/comment-page-1/#comment-553898</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 21:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dale: Point taken, and I think that may be a better metaphor than the hydra.

Still, what I suggested was that sharing might temporarily lose some steam, and thus lose a lot of fringe users who visit these sites because they&#039;re convenient. That&#039;s likely to be a temporary effect, yes. But I&#039;ll stand by my opinion -- that the massive sharing community that currently exists may indestructible to an extent, but could be reduced in size.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dale: Point taken, and I think that may be a better metaphor than the hydra.</p>
<p>Still, what I suggested was that sharing might temporarily lose some steam, and thus lose a lot of fringe users who visit these sites because they&#8217;re convenient. That&#8217;s likely to be a temporary effect, yes. But I&#8217;ll stand by my opinion &#8212; that the massive sharing community that currently exists may indestructible to an extent, but could be reduced in size.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/25/bittorrent-pirates-shut-down-will-joost-get-a-boost/comment-page-1/#comment-553240</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris Joost has to compeate with &quot;piracy&quot; just and offer a product that make acess to content easier to get and more convenient.

At the moment piracy is winning in the convemince and ease of use areas compared to Joost gets to the level of having all content availible globally and easy to find .

At the momnet Joost has most of its content geo restricted becuse international distribution agreements lock up content for years ,the shows are hard to find and not ordered becuse of lack of metadata from content owners .

Bittorent users have created thier own standard when it comes to expianing then the show was aired 

Example 

Bittoret 

Survivor : S015E01 
http://sharetv.org/shows/survivor

Joost
Survivor: China - A Chicken&#039;s A Little Bit Smarter
(Joost removed the show last night but it was only found by search and wasnt in the CBS channel )

And your comments about indexing sites being closed down  is already being solved with Tribler a Open Source Distributed Bittorent trackers with Triber a open source  distributed social Bittorent client .

https://www.tribler.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Joost has to compeate with &#8220;piracy&#8221; just and offer a product that make acess to content easier to get and more convenient.</p>
<p>At the moment piracy is winning in the convemince and ease of use areas compared to Joost gets to the level of having all content availible globally and easy to find .</p>
<p>At the momnet Joost has most of its content geo restricted becuse international distribution agreements lock up content for years ,the shows are hard to find and not ordered becuse of lack of metadata from content owners .</p>
<p>Bittorent users have created thier own standard when it comes to expianing then the show was aired </p>
<p>Example </p>
<p>Bittoret </p>
<p>Survivor : S015E01<br />
<a href="http://sharetv.org/shows/survivor" rel="nofollow">http://sharetv.org/shows/survivor</a></p>
<p>Joost<br />
Survivor: China &#8211; A Chicken&#8217;s A Little Bit Smarter<br />
(Joost removed the show last night but it was only found by search and wasnt in the CBS channel )</p>
<p>And your comments about indexing sites being closed down  is already being solved with Tribler a Open Source Distributed Bittorent trackers with Triber a open source  distributed social Bittorent client .</p>
<p><a href="https://www.tribler.org/" rel="nofollow">https://www.tribler.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dale Thompson</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/25/bittorrent-pirates-shut-down-will-joost-get-a-boost/comment-page-1/#comment-553184</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to agree with the comment by Michael Arrington, to think that taking down a few servers is going to permanently disrupt the network shows a complete lack of understanding of this community. It&#039;s like squeezing that little doll, you squeeze it in the middle, his eyes pop out, squeeze it&#039;s head, the feet get big.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to agree with the comment by Michael Arrington, to think that taking down a few servers is going to permanently disrupt the network shows a complete lack of understanding of this community. It&#8217;s like squeezing that little doll, you squeeze it in the middle, his eyes pop out, squeeze it&#8217;s head, the feet get big.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Morrison</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/25/bittorrent-pirates-shut-down-will-joost-get-a-boost/comment-page-1/#comment-553002</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 05:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael: Yes, I know about the &quot;hydra&quot; effect of the Bittorrent system.

That&#039;s great, but kicking all the legs from beneath a table at once (or cutting all the heads off a hydra) will still cause it to collapse. The system, as a whole, tends to revolve around a few more popular sites.

Will the system recover? Sure, eventually, but in the process, a lot of the fringe users who don&#039;t immediately know the next portal to go to will wander off. In the process, more of the larger sites might decide that it&#039;d be a good idea for them to block US traffic, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: Yes, I know about the &#8220;hydra&#8221; effect of the Bittorrent system.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s great, but kicking all the legs from beneath a table at once (or cutting all the heads off a hydra) will still cause it to collapse. The system, as a whole, tends to revolve around a few more popular sites.</p>
<p>Will the system recover? Sure, eventually, but in the process, a lot of the fringe users who don&#8217;t immediately know the next portal to go to will wander off. In the process, more of the larger sites might decide that it&#8217;d be a good idea for them to block US traffic, too.</p>
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		<title>By: michael arrington</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/25/bittorrent-pirates-shut-down-will-joost-get-a-boost/comment-page-1/#comment-552974</link>
		<dc:creator>michael arrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to suggest that a private bittorent site going down, or even a few popular bittorent sites going down, would give joost an advantage shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the power of these p2p networks and how difficult (impossible) they are to shut down. Joost has to stand or fall on their own merit. They will get no &quot;boost&quot; from individual BitTorrent trackers going down. Others will immediately rise up to take their place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to suggest that a private bittorent site going down, or even a few popular bittorent sites going down, would give joost an advantage shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the power of these p2p networks and how difficult (impossible) they are to shut down. Joost has to stand or fall on their own merit. They will get no &#8220;boost&#8221; from individual BitTorrent trackers going down. Others will immediately rise up to take their place.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Mejia</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/25/bittorrent-pirates-shut-down-will-joost-get-a-boost/comment-page-1/#comment-552890</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Mejia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 03:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seeing P2P sharing sites turned off or banned is the kind of action against illegal Bittorrent activity we&#039;ve anticipated for some time. 

The more difficult issue will be for Bittorrent systems trying to go legitimate to distance themselves from such sites.

That&#039;s because they share a common open source protocol with illegal sites which are increasingly being filtered by ISPs, as VentureBeat points out.  

ISPs need to conserve precious upstream bandwidth that is becoming congested.

Itiva is a hybrid CDN with an optimal P2P component that does not allow file sharing.  Nor are we subject to ISP filtering.  

In fact, we&#039;re seen as method friendly by ISPs.  We reduce load on the network rather than stress and burden it.

If you want to drill down more, just call me at 650.330.1300, ext. 202 about this critical business topic.

Best regards,
Jay Mejia
VP of Business Development
Itiva Networks
jaymejia@itiva.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeing P2P sharing sites turned off or banned is the kind of action against illegal Bittorrent activity we&#8217;ve anticipated for some time. </p>
<p>The more difficult issue will be for Bittorrent systems trying to go legitimate to distance themselves from such sites.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because they share a common open source protocol with illegal sites which are increasingly being filtered by ISPs, as VentureBeat points out.  </p>
<p>ISPs need to conserve precious upstream bandwidth that is becoming congested.</p>
<p>Itiva is a hybrid CDN with an optimal P2P component that does not allow file sharing.  Nor are we subject to ISP filtering.  </p>
<p>In fact, we&#8217;re seen as method friendly by ISPs.  We reduce load on the network rather than stress and burden it.</p>
<p>If you want to drill down more, just call me at 650.330.1300, ext. 202 about this critical business topic.</p>
<p>Best regards,<br />
Jay Mejia<br />
VP of Business Development<br />
Itiva Networks<br />
<a href="mailto:jaymejia@itiva.com">jaymejia@itiva.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Morrison</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/25/bittorrent-pirates-shut-down-will-joost-get-a-boost/comment-page-1/#comment-552862</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 03:18:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matt: Whoops. Misread something from VentureBeat on that, ironically. Corrected, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt: Whoops. Misread something from VentureBeat on that, ironically. Corrected, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/25/bittorrent-pirates-shut-down-will-joost-get-a-boost/comment-page-1/#comment-552764</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Havnt seen the press release for this yet 
&quot;Another company that uses P2P for legitimate file sharing is Joost, which also has a sharing deal with BitTorrent.&quot; 

would you like to cite your sources ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Havnt seen the press release for this yet<br />
&#8220;Another company that uses P2P for legitimate file sharing is Joost, which also has a sharing deal with BitTorrent.&#8221; </p>
<p>would you like to cite your sources <img src='http://venturebeat.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Chris Morrison</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/25/bittorrent-pirates-shut-down-will-joost-get-a-boost/comment-page-1/#comment-552750</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Morrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting -- thanks, Dan. I&#039;ll keep an eye out and update if it turns out TorrentFreak was a little too free with their interpretation of events.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting &#8212; thanks, Dan. I&#8217;ll keep an eye out and update if it turns out TorrentFreak was a little too free with their interpretation of events.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2007/09/25/bittorrent-pirates-shut-down-will-joost-get-a-boost/comment-page-1/#comment-552736</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is some debate now on the whole thing, we got tipped that the news from torrent freak is in question, and showed an IRC chat, which could be true or false, http://www.thecircuitbox.com/demonoid/

But it does make an interesting counter point on the article, however, most things with bittorrent are agenda laden, it is very hard to tell the truth from the invented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is some debate now on the whole thing, we got tipped that the news from torrent freak is in question, and showed an IRC chat, which could be true or false, <a href="http://www.thecircuitbox.com/demonoid/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thecircuitbox.com/demonoid/</a></p>
<p>But it does make an interesting counter point on the article, however, most things with bittorrent are agenda laden, it is very hard to tell the truth from the invented.</p>
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