Comments on: Fliqz and Kaltura bring video capability to the masses, make Brightcove’s prices look insane http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/ News About Tech, Money and Innovation Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:19:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: edhardy622 http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/comment-page-1/#comment-895641 edhardy622 Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:39:35 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=96795#comment-895641 My girlfriend bought me a pair of Chestnut color UGG boots short for Christmas.<br><a href="http://www.uggboots365.co.uk" rel="nofollow">http://www.uggboots365.co.uk</a> My girlfriend bought me a pair of Chestnut color UGG boots short for Christmas.
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]]> By: Jenny http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/comment-page-1/#comment-882534 Jenny Thu, 30 Oct 2008 10:53:45 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=96795#comment-882534 Interesting discussion... Fliqz alleges they are "growing" by leaps and bounds yet if you go to alexa: <a href="http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/fliqz.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_detai...</a><br><br>And click on "Rankings" you'll see they've gone from ~2,000 to ~50,000 over the past few months.<br><br>That means they've lost 90% of their page views... yet this is a growth phase?<br><br>Yeah, that's why we all believe what CEO's say<br><br>Jenny Interesting discussion… Fliqz alleges they are “growing” by leaps and bounds yet if you go to alexa: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_detai...

And click on “Rankings” you'll see they've gone from ~2,000 to ~50,000 over the past few months.

That means they've lost 90% of their page views… yet this is a growth phase?

Yeah, that's why we all believe what CEO's say

Jenny

]]> By: MonkeyMail http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/comment-page-1/#comment-882533 MonkeyMail Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:22:19 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=96795#comment-882533 Mulitcast Media [www.multicastmedia.com] is not only profitable but has been in the market for over 8 years. These are the guys directly beating up on Brightcove. I fail to see how anyone would think that becuase a coulple IT guys got some VC money and convinced a few customers to "try it out" that Fliqz and Kaltura are something to watch out for. <br>"Fliqz’s model revolves around its simplicity. You go to its site, select a subscription level that reflects the size of your audience, pay for it and then add a few lines of code. Its substantial ease of use and quick deployment has enabled it to bring in around 17,000 customers, most of whom are using the ad-supported free version that grants them 500 streams a month."<br>Now...exactly how hard is it win business this way? Oh...and what did you say the margin is here? Shaking in my boots.......... Mulitcast Media [www.multicastmedia.com] is not only profitable but has been in the market for over 8 years. These are the guys directly beating up on Brightcove. I fail to see how anyone would think that becuase a coulple IT guys got some VC money and convinced a few customers to “try it out” that Fliqz and Kaltura are something to watch out for.
“Fliqz’s model revolves around its simplicity. You go to its site, select a subscription level that reflects the size of your audience, pay for it and then add a few lines of code. Its substantial ease of use and quick deployment has enabled it to bring in around 17,000 customers, most of whom are using the ad-supported free version that grants them 500 streams a month.”
Now…exactly how hard is it win business this way? Oh…and what did you say the margin is here? Shaking in my boots……….

]]> By: Edmund Ng http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/comment-page-1/#comment-882532 Edmund Ng Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:38:40 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=96795#comment-882532 I used to use Brightcove but you would be stupid not to switch. Competition is sometimes good for innovation as I feel Fliqz and Kaltura offer more substantial benefits in the long term. I used to use Brightcove but you would be stupid not to switch. Competition is sometimes good for innovation as I feel Fliqz and Kaltura offer more substantial benefits in the long term.

]]> By: Racing Schools http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/comment-page-1/#comment-882531 Racing Schools Sun, 12 Oct 2008 21:28:56 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=96795#comment-882531 As long as Fliqz and Kaltura can sustain, they would cause a big stir in the market. If their VCs are Investment Banks, they would be in trouble with their insane offerings. As long as Fliqz and Kaltura can sustain, they would cause a big stir in the market. If their VCs are Investment Banks, they would be in trouble with their insane offerings.

]]> By: Paid Content : Deal Radar 2008: Fliqz http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/comment-page-1/#comment-830167 Paid Content : Deal Radar 2008: Fliqz Fri, 03 Oct 2008 21:38:08 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=96795#comment-830167 [...] caters mostly to small- and medium-sized companies that have a consumer-facing web presence. VentureBeat discussses how Brightcove focuses only on large enterprises while ignoring this mid-sized market [...] [...] caters mostly to small- and medium-sized companies that have a consumer-facing web presence. VentureBeat discussses how Brightcove focuses only on large enterprises while ignoring this mid-sized market [...]

]]> By: Deal Radar 2008: Fliqz - Sramana Mitra on Strategy http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/comment-page-1/#comment-830140 Deal Radar 2008: Fliqz - Sramana Mitra on Strategy Fri, 03 Oct 2008 15:51:23 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=96795#comment-830140 [...] caters mostly to small- and medium-sized companies that have a consumer-facing web presence. VentureBeat discussses how Brightcove focuses only on large enterprises while ignoring this mid-sized market [...] [...] caters mostly to small- and medium-sized companies that have a consumer-facing web presence. VentureBeat discussses how Brightcove focuses only on large enterprises while ignoring this mid-sized market [...]

]]> By: Thomas http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/comment-page-1/#comment-882530 Thomas Sat, 30 Aug 2008 05:29:51 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=96795#comment-882530 As I pointed out above, as soon as youtube decides there is money in providing "white label" video, they will do so.<br><br>Additionally there is no barrier to entry for other entrants to the market, be it kaltura or anyone else to get into this "white label video" market.<br><br>And finally you point out that "none of them are profitable" and you allege that fliqz is taking in $2800/customer.<br><br>Ok, so adding that together means they are losing money at that $2800/customer...(Since none of them are profitable, right?)<br><br> S o, the more customers they have (growth), the more money they will lose, and the more financing they will need.<br><br> Losing money on every customer and trying to make up for it in volume sounds like the <a href="http://pets.com" rel="nofollow">pets.com</a> story. <br><br> Who knows what the actual financials are but the track record is these video customers have an enormous appetite for VC money; if the business was wildly profitable, that wouldn't be the case.<br><br> I don't think that unprofitable companies have much intrinsic value at the end of the day...<br><br> Show me the profits, and I'll be a believer. As I pointed out above, as soon as youtube decides there is money in providing “white label” video, they will do so.

Additionally there is no barrier to entry for other entrants to the market, be it kaltura or anyone else to get into this “white label video” market.

And finally you point out that “none of them are profitable” and you allege that fliqz is taking in $2800/customer.

Ok, so adding that together means they are losing money at that $2800/customer…(Since none of them are profitable, right?)

S o, the more customers they have (growth), the more money they will lose, and the more financing they will need.

Losing money on every customer and trying to make up for it in volume sounds like the pets.com story.

Who knows what the actual financials are but the track record is these video customers have an enormous appetite for VC money; if the business was wildly profitable, that wouldn't be the case.

I don't think that unprofitable companies have much intrinsic value at the end of the day…

Show me the profits, and I'll be a believer.

]]> By: Jason http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/comment-page-1/#comment-882529 Jason Fri, 29 Aug 2008 23:16:53 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=96795#comment-882529 People want branded solutions.. fliqz is a white label type provider.. the market doesnt want youtube branding People want branded solutions.. fliqz is a white label type provider.. the market doesnt want youtube branding

]]> By: Thomas http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/comment-page-1/#comment-882528 Thomas Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:21:03 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=96795#comment-882528 Yeah yeah I've seen their client list and when you go to half or most of those sites, those sites mostly have youtube videos posted on them....<br><br>I have yet to see much in the way of fliqz videos on any of those sites, they may have their toe in the water but the big lifting is handled by the likes of brightcove.<br><br>Some contests on those sites have used fliqz...etc...pilot type stuff...<br><br>At the end of the day, who controls the profit margin?<br><br>The companies that supply the bandwidth -- which is not fliqz -- fliqz buys the bandwidth.<br><br>As prices fall to zero, the bandwidth suppliers (bitgravity) will hold all the cards...<br><br>And now that youtube has high quality streams, what is to prevent youtube from rubbing out most of the competitors in the video market?<br><br>Not much, other than so far the lack of inclincation. Trust me, to the extent the revenues develop, the inclination at youtube will develop as well...!<br><br>Thomas Yeah yeah I've seen their client list and when you go to half or most of those sites, those sites mostly have youtube videos posted on them….

I have yet to see much in the way of fliqz videos on any of those sites, they may have their toe in the water but the big lifting is handled by the likes of brightcove.

Some contests on those sites have used fliqz…etc…pilot type stuff…

At the end of the day, who controls the profit margin?

The companies that supply the bandwidth — which is not fliqz — fliqz buys the bandwidth.

As prices fall to zero, the bandwidth suppliers (bitgravity) will hold all the cards…

And now that youtube has high quality streams, what is to prevent youtube from rubbing out most of the competitors in the video market?

Not much, other than so far the lack of inclincation. Trust me, to the extent the revenues develop, the inclination at youtube will develop as well…!

Thomas

]]> By: Jason http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/comment-page-1/#comment-882527 Jason Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:15:44 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=96795#comment-882527 None of them have shown a profit.. your right about that.. Fliqz is targeting the mass market and at the way they are scaling, i wouldnt doubt them being a billion dollar revenue company in 3-5 years. From what I have heard, there average customer is worth 2388.00/ year and are doubling quarter after quarter.. look at their client list, <a href="http://MLB.com" rel="nofollow">MLB.com</a>, <a href="http://Facebook.com" rel="nofollow">Facebook.com</a>, <a href="http://Rockyou.com" rel="nofollow">Rockyou.com</a>, <a href="http://military.com" rel="nofollow">military.com</a>, Monster, Flixster, VH1 . They claim to have about 16,000 people on their network already. Do the math. None of them have shown a profit.. your right about that.. Fliqz is targeting the mass market and at the way they are scaling, i wouldnt doubt them being a billion dollar revenue company in 3-5 years. From what I have heard, there average customer is worth 2388.00/ year and are doubling quarter after quarter.. look at their client list, MLB.com, Facebook.com, Rockyou.com, military.com, Monster, Flixster, VH1 . They claim to have about 16,000 people on their network already. Do the math.

]]> By: Thomas http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/comment-page-1/#comment-882526 Thomas Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:04:02 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=96795#comment-882526 Now they are going to get to a billion dollar company?? Ummm sure.....<br><br>Look Fliqz started a trend towards lowball pricing.....and as more competitors follow suit, then we are going to see lower and lower prices which means lower and lower revenues...<br><br>$4.95 video hosting anyone? Show me the billion $ from that.<br><br>All of these companies have shown adroitness at raising money, I'm not sure that any of them have shown a profit Now they are going to get to a billion dollar company?? Ummm sure…..

Look Fliqz started a trend towards lowball pricing…..and as more competitors follow suit, then we are going to see lower and lower prices which means lower and lower revenues…

$4.95 video hosting anyone? Show me the billion $ from that.

All of these companies have shown adroitness at raising money, I'm not sure that any of them have shown a profit

]]> By: Jason http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/comment-page-1/#comment-882525 Jason Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:05:08 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=96795#comment-882525 Being profitable in a year and having the ability to scale fast to get to a billion dollar company are two completely different points. They probably will be profitable in a year - they are growing faster than any other provider in the space Being profitable in a year and having the ability to scale fast to get to a billion dollar company are two completely different points. They probably will be profitable in a year – they are growing faster than any other provider in the space

]]> By: Pual Banister http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/comment-page-1/#comment-882524 Pual Banister Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:02:41 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=96795#comment-882524 I think that they both do operate on different business models but they share a common interest. Brightcove have established huge clients which mean from now on, with large sums of money changing hand each time, they are going to stick to the big fish as this has what has worked for them. I think that they both do operate on different business models but they share a common interest. Brightcove have established huge clients which mean from now on, with large sums of money changing hand each time, they are going to stick to the big fish as this has what has worked for them.

]]> By: Thomas http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/21/fliqz-and-kaltura-bring-video-capability-to-the-masses-make-brightcoves-prices-look-insane/comment-page-1/#comment-882523 Thomas Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:26:14 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=96795#comment-882523 First Fliqz says they are going to be "profitable" in a year, now they say they are looking for $10mln?<br><br>Which is it? <br><br>I agree with sarah about chasing unprofitable customers.. First Fliqz says they are going to be “profitable” in a year, now they say they are looking for $10mln?

Which is it?

I agree with sarah about chasing unprofitable customers..

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