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]]> By: » Android, an idea whose time has come…and gone? « Software Reviews & Free Software Download. http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/28/android-market-googles-response-to-apples-app-store-for-third-party-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-827380 » Android, an idea whose time has come…and gone? « Software Reviews & Free Software Download. Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:02:07 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=97102#comment-827380 [...] part it may be because Google’s intended application market may well be too open. Google has been careful to avoid calling it an “App Store,” not [...] [...] part it may be because Google’s intended application market may well be too open. Google has been careful to avoid calling it an “App Store,” not [...]

]]> By: Android, an idea whose time has come…and gone? « IT Spot http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/28/android-market-googles-response-to-apples-app-store-for-third-party-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-827364 Android, an idea whose time has come…and gone? « IT Spot Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:53:44 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=97102#comment-827364 [...] part it may be because Google’s intended application market may well be too open. Google has been careful to avoid calling it an “App Store,” not [...] [...] part it may be because Google’s intended application market may well be too open. Google has been careful to avoid calling it an “App Store,” not [...]

]]> By: matthaus http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/28/android-market-googles-response-to-apples-app-store-for-third-party-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-860313 matthaus Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:54:25 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=97102#comment-860313 @Hari. There's a short answer and a long one. <br><br>The short one is that if these explanations are correct (<a href="http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12797" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12797</a>), then Chris (<a href="http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/08/29/there-can-be-only-one-source-claims-for-iphone-2-0-2-to-not-s/" rel="nofollow">http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/08/29/there-...</a>) is right on spot saying "This all sounds plausible, we guess, but if 2.0 and 2.0.1 were really screwing with base stations that badly, wouldn't owners of other 3G phones be affected equally?" If Iphones are jamming cell towers for all 3G phones, like the report says, then the widely reported Iphone performance problems are really due to software and in more detail, the OS. If this report is correct, then Apple has all reasons to be ashamed. Mind you, I'm cautious about this report and I assume that AT&T, Apple & Co keep us in the dark. I don't expect any of that to happen wit Android, though.<br><br>You'll get a longer answer in a post on Monday/Tuesday. Still writing on that one, sorry. @Hari. There's a short answer and a long one.

The short one is that if these explanations are correct (http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=12797), then Chris (http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2008/08/29/there-...) is right on spot saying “This all sounds plausible, we guess, but if 2.0 and 2.0.1 were really screwing with base stations that badly, wouldn't owners of other 3G phones be affected equally?” If Iphones are jamming cell towers for all 3G phones, like the report says, then the widely reported Iphone performance problems are really due to software and in more detail, the OS. If this report is correct, then Apple has all reasons to be ashamed. Mind you, I'm cautious about this report and I assume that AT&T, Apple & Co keep us in the dark. I don't expect any of that to happen wit Android, though.

You'll get a longer answer in a post on Monday/Tuesday. Still writing on that one, sorry.

]]> By: Hari Seldon http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/28/android-market-googles-response-to-apples-app-store-for-third-party-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-860312 Hari Seldon Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:41:47 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=97102#comment-860312 @matthaus <br><br>I'm wondering how you feel "the Iphone OS is inferior in many important ways".<br><br>Just curious @matthaus

I'm wondering how you feel “the Iphone OS is inferior in many important ways”.

Just curious

]]> By: The important facts about Android Market are still unknown. — Alec Saunders SquawkBox http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/28/android-market-googles-response-to-apples-app-store-for-third-party-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-827237 The important facts about Android Market are still unknown. — Alec Saunders SquawkBox Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:17:57 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=97102#comment-827237 [...] Android Market, Google’s response to Apple’s App Store for third party developers [...] [...] Android Market, Google’s response to Apple’s App Store for third party developers [...]

]]> By: Google introduces Android Market | Shoeseat.com http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/28/android-market-googles-response-to-apples-app-store-for-third-party-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-827232 Google introduces Android Market | Shoeseat.com Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:55:41 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=97102#comment-827232 [...] Looking to build some more interest around the platform and get developer’s attention, Google has revealed its competitor to Apple’s iPhone App Store, the Android Market, which will enable developers to [...] [...] Looking to build some more interest around the platform and get developer’s attention, Google has revealed its competitor to Apple’s iPhone App Store, the Android Market, which will enable developers to [...]

]]> By: matthaus http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/28/android-market-googles-response-to-apples-app-store-for-third-party-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-860311 matthaus Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:26:08 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=97102#comment-860311 Steve, <br>appreciate the discussion. I agree with you that one can not argue that Android is getting a lot of positive blug buzz. I also agree with you that it remains to be seen if an "open" app store will be more effective than a more "closed" one. However, I tend to disagree on the competition issue between Android and the Iphone OS. I rather think that for Google this competition does not exist, though it probably exists for Apple. <br><br>For Google, I guess, what they envision you is your mobile browser to behave like an advanced desktop browser. Here's Google Gears relevance, particularly for mobile. Gears is not limited to any mobile phone or OS. For example it's available as an add-on for Safari. Even without Gears, at Google they love the usage patterns the Iphone produces. In monetisation terms, their eye is on mobile marketing, which is connected to those patterns. <br><br>Apple, on the other hand, I believe looks at Android as a competing OS. Their monetisation is connected to a mobile device. As the Iphone OS is inferior in many important ways (that's my opinion, at least) I definitely see some reactionary moves on Android from Apple down the line. <br><br>Bottom line, though, is that both initiatives will have their success, according to their own set of success criteria. Steve,
appreciate the discussion. I agree with you that one can not argue that Android is getting a lot of positive blug buzz. I also agree with you that it remains to be seen if an “open” app store will be more effective than a more “closed” one. However, I tend to disagree on the competition issue between Android and the Iphone OS. I rather think that for Google this competition does not exist, though it probably exists for Apple.

For Google, I guess, what they envision you is your mobile browser to behave like an advanced desktop browser. Here's Google Gears relevance, particularly for mobile. Gears is not limited to any mobile phone or OS. For example it's available as an add-on for Safari. Even without Gears, at Google they love the usage patterns the Iphone produces. In monetisation terms, their eye is on mobile marketing, which is connected to those patterns.

Apple, on the other hand, I believe looks at Android as a competing OS. Their monetisation is connected to a mobile device. As the Iphone OS is inferior in many important ways (that's my opinion, at least) I definitely see some reactionary moves on Android from Apple down the line.

Bottom line, though, is that both initiatives will have their success, according to their own set of success criteria.

]]> By: Android Market, Google’s Response to Apple’s App Store | Eric Eldon | Voices | AllThingsD http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/28/android-market-googles-response-to-apples-app-store-for-third-party-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-827212 Android Market, Google’s Response to Apple’s App Store | Eric Eldon | Voices | AllThingsD Fri, 29 Aug 2008 07:01:08 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=97102#comment-827212 [...] Read the rest of this post Print all_things_di220:http://voices.allthingsd.com/20080829/eldon-2/ Sphere Comment Tagged: Android, Android Market, App Store, Apple, Eric Eldon, Google, VentureBeat, Voices, iPhone | permalink [...] [...] Read the rest of this post Print all_things_di220:http://voices.allthingsd.com/20080829/eldon-2/ Sphere Comment Tagged: Android, Android Market, App Store, Apple, Eric Eldon, Google, VentureBeat, Voices, iPhone | permalink [...]

]]> By: Steve Bartz http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/28/android-market-googles-response-to-apples-app-store-for-third-party-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-860310 Steve Bartz Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:45:57 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=97102#comment-860310 Matthaus,<br>I don't think you can argue that Android is getting a lot of positive blog buzz from minor +1's of the iPhone. Take the Android Market for example: It is a free, open version of the App Store. (Good for developers, but the user will likely see little difference between the two. An "open" market is good for cheap development entry, but there are already a plethora of crappy iPhone apps even with the $99 entry fee.)<br>I agree that Android has "different objectives", but certainly Android is competing directly with iPhone OS and therefore the iPhone as a device. Right now that competition is to attract more non mobile web subscribers, but in a few years, they will be head-to-head as cell contracts expire that started in this big smartphone push. Matthaus,
I don't think you can argue that Android is getting a lot of positive blog buzz from minor +1's of the iPhone. Take the Android Market for example: It is a free, open version of the App Store. (Good for developers, but the user will likely see little difference between the two. An “open” market is good for cheap development entry, but there are already a plethora of crappy iPhone apps even with the $99 entry fee.)
I agree that Android has “different objectives”, but certainly Android is competing directly with iPhone OS and therefore the iPhone as a device. Right now that competition is to attract more non mobile web subscribers, but in a few years, they will be head-to-head as cell contracts expire that started in this big smartphone push.

]]> By: matthaus http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/28/android-market-googles-response-to-apples-app-store-for-third-party-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-860309 matthaus Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:29:51 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=97102#comment-860309 Hi Steve, <br>one can hardly argue that Android is copying the Iphone in any way. The Android project has been around since 2004 and it has different objectives. As to the Google-Apple relationship, from what I hear, Google sees the Iphone very positively. Google's interest is in the mobile web and an "open" eco system and Apple's overall a good influence in that regard. Hi Steve,
one can hardly argue that Android is copying the Iphone in any way. The Android project has been around since 2004 and it has different objectives. As to the Google-Apple relationship, from what I hear, Google sees the Iphone very positively. Google's interest is in the mobile web and an “open” eco system and Apple's overall a good influence in that regard.

]]> By: Steve Bartz http://venturebeat.com/2008/08/28/android-market-googles-response-to-apples-app-store-for-third-party-developers/comment-page-1/#comment-860308 Steve Bartz Fri, 29 Aug 2008 05:09:01 +0000 http://venturebeat.com/?p=97102#comment-860308 What's next on Android completely copies the iPhone? I wonder what Android would be if the iPhone didn't come first. I'm not saying that the iPhone is the best or even better than Android. However, Google should be thankful that Apple laid out the path for them to follow. I'm sure they will push ahead of the iPhone after they fill in all its holes, but it will never be perceived as something better than the iPhone for next year or two. What's next on Android completely copies the iPhone? I wonder what Android would be if the iPhone didn't come first. I'm not saying that the iPhone is the best or even better than Android. However, Google should be thankful that Apple laid out the path for them to follow. I'm sure they will push ahead of the iPhone after they fill in all its holes, but it will never be perceived as something better than the iPhone for next year or two.

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