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	<title>Comments on: As WAMU and other banks fall, aftermath could rock venture firm FTVentures</title>
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		<title>By: edhardy622</title>
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		<dc:creator>edhardy622</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: David de Weese of Paul Capital Partners on the economic turmoil’s effect on the secondary market - Start-Up News &#124; Internet Startups</title>
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		<dc:creator>David de Weese of Paul Capital Partners on the economic turmoil’s effect on the secondary market - Start-Up News &#124; Internet Startups</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] VC firms, for example, rely on large banks, endowments and pension funds for their cash. If enough of a VC firm&#8217;s so-called &#8220;limited investors&#8221; default, or get scared and run, the VC firm may be forced to close. So far, things haven&#8217;t gotten nearly that bad for that sort of drastic step to happen, even for VC firms that are relatively exposed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] VC firms, for example, rely on large banks, endowments and pension funds for their cash. If enough of a VC firm&#8217;s so-called &#8220;limited investors&#8221; default, or get scared and run, the VC firm may be forced to close. So far, things haven&#8217;t gotten nearly that bad for that sort of drastic step to happen, even for VC firms that are relatively exposed. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: David de Weese of Paul Capital Partners on the economic turmoil&#8217;s effect on the secondary market &#187; VentureBeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>David de Weese of Paul Capital Partners on the economic turmoil&#8217;s effect on the secondary market &#187; VentureBeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 20:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] VC firms, for example, rely on large banks, endowments and pension funds for their cash. If enough of a VC firm&#8217;s so-called &#8220;limited investors&#8221; default, or get scared and run, the VC firm may be forced to close. So far, things haven&#8217;t gotten nearly that bad for that sort of drastic step to happen, even for VC firms that are relatively exposed. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] VC firms, for example, rely on large banks, endowments and pension funds for their cash. If enough of a VC firm&#8217;s so-called &#8220;limited investors&#8221; default, or get scared and run, the VC firm may be forced to close. So far, things haven&#8217;t gotten nearly that bad for that sort of drastic step to happen, even for VC firms that are relatively exposed. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We chose not to pursue a deal with a global bank when our due diligence showed that they would probably go under.&lt;br&gt;As it is the practice of VC&#039;s to keep startups on a shoestring, we knew that at the very moment when we would  need a large infusion of capital that the bank would be somewhat short, in fact most banks would be. &lt;br&gt;We thought it would be better to carry on with private funding until we after the crash. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The most important thing for a start-up is to select the right partners/investors, and going cap in hand during a depression isn&#039;t my idea of a recipe for success. &lt;br&gt;It&#039;s funny because the old tales about having a bank as a partner almost guaranteeing that you won&#039;t go broke certainly doesn&#039;t have an ounce of truth anymore.  If your partner is a bank then you are more likely to go broke. &lt;br&gt;The is a lot of money out there looking for an investment and if our business is up to scratch we won&#039;t have any difficulty attracting funds once they realise the markets are not going to give the returns they once provided.&lt;br&gt;Even when developing a financial industry product it may not necessarily be strategic to get involved with financial industry investors. &lt;br&gt;Their  current record in the judgment of investments is not one to be proud of anyway.&lt;br&gt;Perhaps they would best be avoided altogether for the moment and the last place you&#039;ll find any money at the moment is probably in a merchant bank. &lt;br&gt;Be wary of becoming part of a &#039;stable of VC investments&#039; with any group which might seek to incorporate your business into another they already have. You must make sure you stick to your plan, not change it according to needs of the investor, unless ther are very strong and clearly identifiable benefits for your business. &lt;br&gt;If you have a good business model the money will find you, just use the web, blog, talk, publish and collaborate, but keep your key intellectual property to yourself as long as you can, and most importantly try and stay away from middlemen unless they have a proven track record with the parties you ultimately seek to engage.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you have to take a shoestring deal simply make sure you get more than you think you need initially and ensure that further participation/shareholdings a totally dependent on whether you decide you need more money or not. ie if they give you a little, make sure they only get what they paid for and that the only way they can increase their holding is through further cash. If you manage to pull it off without the need for more cash then that&#039;s all the better for you and too bad for the investors. &lt;br&gt;Avoid any investor wanting a tiny percentage for a token amount, tokens won&#039;t get you acreoss the line unless there are a lot of them in your account, and never trust that an investor will come up with the next round of funding, as soon as you get the first start looking for other investors so you have a choice at your next stage. Do not wait till the last minute when you actually need the money, or when your existing investors may be short. The time to raise the money is when you don&#039;t need it. &lt;br&gt;Sun pulled a good one just before the crash and managed to get their hands on a lot of cash when they didn&#039;t really need it. Let&#039;s hope they have some left to get them through the depression.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We chose not to pursue a deal with a global bank when our due diligence showed that they would probably go under.<br />As it is the practice of VC&#39;s to keep startups on a shoestring, we knew that at the very moment when we would  need a large infusion of capital that the bank would be somewhat short, in fact most banks would be. <br />We thought it would be better to carry on with private funding until we after the crash. </p>
<p>The most important thing for a start-up is to select the right partners/investors, and going cap in hand during a depression isn&#39;t my idea of a recipe for success. <br />It&#39;s funny because the old tales about having a bank as a partner almost guaranteeing that you won&#39;t go broke certainly doesn&#39;t have an ounce of truth anymore.  If your partner is a bank then you are more likely to go broke. <br />The is a lot of money out there looking for an investment and if our business is up to scratch we won&#39;t have any difficulty attracting funds once they realise the markets are not going to give the returns they once provided.<br />Even when developing a financial industry product it may not necessarily be strategic to get involved with financial industry investors. <br />Their  current record in the judgment of investments is not one to be proud of anyway.<br />Perhaps they would best be avoided altogether for the moment and the last place you&#39;ll find any money at the moment is probably in a merchant bank. <br />Be wary of becoming part of a &#39;stable of VC investments&#39; with any group which might seek to incorporate your business into another they already have. You must make sure you stick to your plan, not change it according to needs of the investor, unless ther are very strong and clearly identifiable benefits for your business. <br />If you have a good business model the money will find you, just use the web, blog, talk, publish and collaborate, but keep your key intellectual property to yourself as long as you can, and most importantly try and stay away from middlemen unless they have a proven track record with the parties you ultimately seek to engage.</p>
<p>If you have to take a shoestring deal simply make sure you get more than you think you need initially and ensure that further participation/shareholdings a totally dependent on whether you decide you need more money or not. ie if they give you a little, make sure they only get what they paid for and that the only way they can increase their holding is through further cash. If you manage to pull it off without the need for more cash then that&#39;s all the better for you and too bad for the investors. <br />Avoid any investor wanting a tiny percentage for a token amount, tokens won&#39;t get you acreoss the line unless there are a lot of them in your account, and never trust that an investor will come up with the next round of funding, as soon as you get the first start looking for other investors so you have a choice at your next stage. Do not wait till the last minute when you actually need the money, or when your existing investors may be short. The time to raise the money is when you don&#39;t need it. <br />Sun pulled a good one just before the crash and managed to get their hands on a lot of cash when they didn&#39;t really need it. Let&#39;s hope they have some left to get them through the depression.</p>
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		<title>By: Economic woes hurting startups</title>
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		<dc:creator>Economic woes hurting startups</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:25:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a similar topic, VentureBeat reports how the demise of banks such as Washington Mutual could hurt venture capital firms that have not [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 14:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Taylor Beatty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Taylor Beatty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 07:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm Interesting, I thought the Venture guys were a bunch of rich folks who poured down the money. So my guess is they don&#039;t make as much as I assumed since they have to pay back the banks/investors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm Interesting, I thought the Venture guys were a bunch of rich folks who poured down the money. So my guess is they don&#39;t make as much as I assumed since they have to pay back the banks/investors.</p>
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		<title>By: Ki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didnt realize the bank problems would cause problems for venture capitalism.  But it obviously makes sense.    Since mortgage interest rates have been in a lot of flux recently does that effect interest rates on funds that are handed over to venture capitalist.   Or is that kind of a seperate beast for banks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didnt realize the bank problems would cause problems for venture capitalism.  But it obviously makes sense.    Since mortgage interest rates have been in a lot of flux recently does that effect interest rates on funds that are handed over to venture capitalist.   Or is that kind of a seperate beast for banks.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Stamoulis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Stamoulis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 06:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is scary stuff.... all around! Hopefully they can find a resolution soon.</description>
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