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		<title>By: edhardy622</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2008/10/13/the-cloud-isnt-for-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-895426</link>
		<dc:creator>edhardy622</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 11:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ramon F Herrera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramon F Herrera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 19:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cloud is for *no one*.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Signed,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;-Richard M Stallman</description>
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<p>Signed,</p>
<p>-Richard M Stallman</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Kerpan </title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2008/10/13/the-cloud-isnt-for-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-858766</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Kerpan </dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 04:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I have a comment for both the authors and about comments above. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To the authors - it isn&#039;t quite as hard as you think to move between clouds and other virtualization formats.  But my reasons for believing that are because I am one of the team behind the Elastic Server platform (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.elasticserver.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.elasticserver.com&lt;/a&gt;)  which allows you to have a &quot;bill of materials&quot; for a server (OS + Middleware + Applications) and then quickly assemble it into Amazon AMI format, VMware, Parallels, etc..  So cloud portability at the format level is less of an issue maybe than the authors think.  Cloud portability at the API level or the storage services level is another thing and one we would be happy to discuss. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, doing it by hand is not quite as easy as described above.  I don&#039;t disagree with any of the description above of what an Amazon AMI really is, but, for a virtual server to be a proper &quot;citizen&quot; of most clouds there are nuances of format with respect to the meta data of the virtual machine - even when both clouds use open source Xen.  Additionally  most clouds and virtualization hypervisors require specific libraries to be in the operating system of the running virtual server.  So to use &quot;Cloud Foo&quot; that uses Virtual Iron your build will need &quot;virtual iron&quot; tools inside of it, as well as &quot;Cloud Foo Tools&quot; so it behaves properly in their data center&#039;s overall environment.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Again - I clearly have a vested interest in the automated approach - but that is why we built the Elastic Server platform to handle lots of these details behind the scenes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I have a comment for both the authors and about comments above. </p>
<p>To the authors &#8211; it isn&#39;t quite as hard as you think to move between clouds and other virtualization formats.  But my reasons for believing that are because I am one of the team behind the Elastic Server platform (<a href="http://www.elasticserver.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.elasticserver.com</a>)  which allows you to have a &#8220;bill of materials&#8221; for a server (OS + Middleware + Applications) and then quickly assemble it into Amazon AMI format, VMware, Parallels, etc..  So cloud portability at the format level is less of an issue maybe than the authors think.  Cloud portability at the API level or the storage services level is another thing and one we would be happy to discuss. </p>
<p>However, doing it by hand is not quite as easy as described above.  I don&#39;t disagree with any of the description above of what an Amazon AMI really is, but, for a virtual server to be a proper &#8220;citizen&#8221; of most clouds there are nuances of format with respect to the meta data of the virtual machine &#8211; even when both clouds use open source Xen.  Additionally  most clouds and virtualization hypervisors require specific libraries to be in the operating system of the running virtual server.  So to use &#8220;Cloud Foo&#8221; that uses Virtual Iron your build will need &#8220;virtual iron&#8221; tools inside of it, as well as &#8220;Cloud Foo Tools&#8221; so it behaves properly in their data center&#39;s overall environment.</p>
<p>Again &#8211; I clearly have a vested interest in the automated approach &#8211; but that is why we built the Elastic Server platform to handle lots of these details behind the scenes.</p>
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		<title>By: Amazon Cloud gains Windows, loses beta - Start-Up News &#124; Internet Startups</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amazon Cloud gains Windows, loses beta - Start-Up News &#124; Internet Startups</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 22:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of AKF Partners previously criticized the absence of such a guarantee in their column on why &#8220;the cloud isn&#8217;t for everyone.&#8221; (EC2 now guarantees 0.05 percent more uptime than Amazon&#8217;s Simple Storage Service, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of AKF Partners previously criticized the absence of such a guarantee in their column on why &#8220;the cloud isn&#8217;t for everyone.&#8221; (EC2 now guarantees 0.05 percent more uptime than Amazon&#8217;s Simple Storage Service, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Amazon Cloud gains Windows, loses beta &#187; VentureBeat</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2008/10/13/the-cloud-isnt-for-everyone/comment-page-1/#comment-831860</link>
		<dc:creator>Amazon Cloud gains Windows, loses beta &#187; VentureBeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 18:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of AKF Partners previously criticized the basence of such a guarantee in their column on why &#8220;the cloud isn&#8217;t for everyone.&#8221; (EC2 now guarantees 0.05 percent more uptime than Amazon&#8217;s Simple Storage [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of AKF Partners previously criticized the basence of such a guarantee in their column on why &#8220;the cloud isn&#8217;t for everyone.&#8221; (EC2 now guarantees 0.05 percent more uptime than Amazon&#8217;s Simple Storage [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Mornini</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom Mornini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 00:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a good article, and certainly does bring out some issues about cloud -vs- traditional infrastructure.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the DB tests you ran, can you tell us what EC2 instance you used, and what hardware?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The differences you stated are *clearly* one of a handful of issues:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1) On disk -vs- in memory data access&lt;br&gt;2) indexed -vs- non-indexed lookups&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s a bit of a disappointment to see benchmarks without *any* idea of configuration details. Without them, the benchmarks are *meaningless*.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a good article, and certainly does bring out some issues about cloud -vs- traditional infrastructure.</p>
<p>In the DB tests you ran, can you tell us what EC2 instance you used, and what hardware?</p>
<p>The differences you stated are *clearly* one of a handful of issues:</p>
<p>1) On disk -vs- in memory data access<br />2) indexed -vs- non-indexed lookups</p>
<p>It&#39;s a bit of a disappointment to see benchmarks without *any* idea of configuration details. Without them, the benchmarks are *meaningless*.</p>
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		<title>By: Engago team</title>
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		<dc:creator>Engago team</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 15:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazon has changed the market of hosting for ever.&lt;br&gt;These type of articles &quot;with an agenda&quot; won&#039;t be able to change that again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazon has changed the market of hosting for ever.<br />These type of articles &#8220;with an agenda&#8221; won&#39;t be able to change that again.</p>
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		<title>By: krishnan</title>
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		<dc:creator>krishnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 09:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to point out that your non portability argument is not valid. Amazon&#039;s AMI is just a compressed version of the root file system which you setup in your local machine. If you are making an AMI for a virtual appliance based on a specific web app, you are creating that environment using the linux file system of your favorite distro + app and then compressing it to reduce bandwidth usage. This compressed version is called an AMI. There is nothing to stop you from using the uncompressed version with another provider. This argument is totally meaningless. Plus, your arguments about security and control applies without any changes to the traditional hosting models too. Claiming it as a cloud based issue is just an attempt to sow seeds of distrust in the minds of people (Isn&#039;t it called fear mongering?).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As far your argument about performance is concerned, you haven&#039;t provided the specs of traditional server and the servers used in the cloud. In the absence of specs, the comparison could be like that of comparing apples to oranges. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This article appears like an article with agenda. I am sorry for being blunt. This is not an objective analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to point out that your non portability argument is not valid. Amazon&#39;s AMI is just a compressed version of the root file system which you setup in your local machine. If you are making an AMI for a virtual appliance based on a specific web app, you are creating that environment using the linux file system of your favorite distro + app and then compressing it to reduce bandwidth usage. This compressed version is called an AMI. There is nothing to stop you from using the uncompressed version with another provider. This argument is totally meaningless. Plus, your arguments about security and control applies without any changes to the traditional hosting models too. Claiming it as a cloud based issue is just an attempt to sow seeds of distrust in the minds of people (Isn&#39;t it called fear mongering?).</p>
<p>As far your argument about performance is concerned, you haven&#39;t provided the specs of traditional server and the servers used in the cloud. In the absence of specs, the comparison could be like that of comparing apples to oranges. </p>
<p>This article appears like an article with agenda. I am sorry for being blunt. This is not an objective analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: macelmorph</title>
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		<dc:creator>macelmorph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d use &quot;scalability&quot; and let go of &quot;flexibility&quot; as the latter denotes having control more than what it intends in writing. But then again, that&#039;s just an opinion. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Interesting that this was mentioned -- &quot;If the cost of just one outage would exceed the benefits of speed and flexibility, you’re better off managing your own infrastructure.&quot; -- but really, is this even possible? I&#039;d be interested to find about related case studies. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Macel Legaspi&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mor.ph&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Morph Labs&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;d use &#8220;scalability&#8221; and let go of &#8220;flexibility&#8221; as the latter denotes having control more than what it intends in writing. But then again, that&#39;s just an opinion. </p>
<p>Interesting that this was mentioned &#8212; &#8220;If the cost of just one outage would exceed the benefits of speed and flexibility, you’re better off managing your own infrastructure.&#8221; &#8212; but really, is this even possible? I&#39;d be interested to find about related case studies. </p>
<p>Macel Legaspi<br /><a href="http://www.mor.ph" rel="nofollow">Morph Labs</a></p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kassing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kassing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 03:39:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long live the cloud! Life saver!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Michael Kassing&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://MarkTend.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;MarkTend.com&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long live the cloud! Life saver!</p>
<p>Michael Kassing<br /><a href="http://MarkTend.com" rel="nofollow">MarkTend.com</a></p>
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