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By: John Mullinax

John Mullinax — Thu, 13 Nov 2008 04:20:57 +0000

It's nice to see Salesforce opening more interoperability options, but let's not confuse ourselves here: Microsoft's Windows Azure platform became the instant leader in interoperability and “openness of cloud” when it was announed a couple weeks back.

Windows Azure will interoperate with virtually anything — on premise or in off, including any other cloud that talks http, which I think is all of them. In fact, that's part of the point of what Microsoft calls “software-plus-services”. Take the best of the cloud and the best of on-premise software (including all kinds of edge devices), enable new experiences, and give people choices and flexibility about where different bits should run. Choices that can be changed as circumtances change.

Microsoft did this, in part, by embracing web standards and even multiple design time development platforms in a way that other cloud vendors don't match — which probably surprised a few folks. Shows the impact Ray Ozzie is having at Microsoft.

By: Hanu Kommalapati

Hanu Kommalapati — Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:30:51 +0000

One has to differentiate between application portability (design time) and runtime interoperability. Every cloud is proprietary in nature to some extent from the application portability perspective. Once you go with a service provider like Salesforce, Google, Amazon or Microsoft, you are locked into a Cloud platform. This is similar to SAP, Orcale and Microsoft business applications on-premise. In order for the design time portability to be a reality, lot of work needs to be done in the standards so that if you don't like a service provider, you can extract your package of data and application and take it somewhere else. I am not sure if that will happen any time soon. Even Mr. Benioff admits that it is still a weakness with Salfesforce platform.
If you look at the runtime interoperability, it is the critical success factor to the very survival of any cloud platform. Considering the heterogeneity of the cloud consumers, run time interoperability limitations will only be detrimental to the provider and am sure even Microsoft is aware of that. Azure Services platform seems to be more comprehensive set of platform capabilities that can seamlessly interoperate with either on-premise systems or in-the-cloud systems. Who can argue with the runtime interoperability of REST and SOAP based layer surrounding Azure platform. For the foreseeable future, we have to live with on-premise systems be it Microsoft or otherwise. Whoever offers a comprehensive platform that will take into account the pure cloud based interoperability combined with organic coexistence of the on-premise systems, will make the transition painless and should be your friend!
So, Microsoft doesn’t have everyone as Mr. Benioff suggests; they love everyone by offering the most flexible and extensible cloud platform that can interoperate with other cloud and on-premise systems through web services. Azure offers broad language and development tool choices (VB, C#, Java, Ruby, PHP, Python, Ecliplise, …) than Salesforce.
if Mr. Benioff suggests that Salesforce is more open than Microsoft Azure Services platform, he is merely trying to pull the wool over everybody’s eyes.

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