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	<title>Comments on: California’s proposed “Amazon tax&#8221; – a destructive solution</title>
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		<title>By: Big Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 02:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People with internet businesses are victims?   You&#039;ve got to be kidding.  If the bodega down the street has to collect sales tax so should the billionaires who run Amazon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People with internet businesses are victims?   You&#39;ve got to be kidding.  If the bodega down the street has to collect sales tax so should the billionaires who run Amazon.</p>
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		<title>By: loren</title>
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		<dc:creator>loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good news everyone.  AB178 has been moved to a two year bill (meaning it won&#039;t be considered until next year).  Our legislation has listened to us and they are hearing the voice of small businesses.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We&#039;re not out of the woods yet, but this is an important step.  Hopefully the federal government or a coalition of states will band together to create a solution at the national level (so small businesses in individual states aren&#039;t singled out).  Then AB178 will never need to be considered again.  But let&#039;s keep our eyes out for future activities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good news everyone.  AB178 has been moved to a two year bill (meaning it won&#39;t be considered until next year).  Our legislation has listened to us and they are hearing the voice of small businesses.  </p>
<p>We&#39;re not out of the woods yet, but this is an important step.  Hopefully the federal government or a coalition of states will band together to create a solution at the national level (so small businesses in individual states aren&#39;t singled out).  Then AB178 will never need to be considered again.  But let&#39;s keep our eyes out for future activities.</p>
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		<title>By: loren</title>
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		<dc:creator>loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re missing the point.  We&#039;re ok with Amazon and Yahoo and others having to collect sales tax.  We need a solution across all states.  The problem with AB178 and the &quot;Amazon Tax&quot; is that since they single out states, it will make major advertisers not work with websites in those states.  When it passed in New York (and it is being appealed and will like be reversed given the recent activities in California and Maryland) more than 200 advertisers stopped working with New York websites.  This is no distorting of fact - just facts.  If the bill were  to pass it would cause any website in California to lose advertising revenue from any out-of-state retailer that doesn&#039;t want to collect sales tax in California.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When a nationwide bill is created, and all retailers have to collect sales tax in all states it will be an even playing field.  Until then, if a bill passes in one state it will put that state at a serious disadvantage and ultimately be a &quot;Small Business Tax.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The good news: the California legislation yesterday decided to move AB178 to a two year bill.  This is a huge success and shows that are government is listening and that they realize the major issues with the bill.  It is well intended, but currently very flawed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;re missing the point.  We&#39;re ok with Amazon and Yahoo and others having to collect sales tax.  We need a solution across all states.  The problem with AB178 and the &#8220;Amazon Tax&#8221; is that since they single out states, it will make major advertisers not work with websites in those states.  When it passed in New York (and it is being appealed and will like be reversed given the recent activities in California and Maryland) more than 200 advertisers stopped working with New York websites.  This is no distorting of fact &#8211; just facts.  If the bill were  to pass it would cause any website in California to lose advertising revenue from any out-of-state retailer that doesn&#39;t want to collect sales tax in California.</p>
<p>When a nationwide bill is created, and all retailers have to collect sales tax in all states it will be an even playing field.  Until then, if a bill passes in one state it will put that state at a serious disadvantage and ultimately be a &#8220;Small Business Tax.&#8221;</p>
<p>The good news: the California legislation yesterday decided to move AB178 to a two year bill.  This is a huge success and shows that are government is listening and that they realize the major issues with the bill.  It is well intended, but currently very flawed.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On California: don&#039;t get me started on how inept and anti-business this state really is.  I have a company with 25 employees and everyone I know is either an entrepreneur, a company executive or financial industry person.  Every single person in this state whose face isn&#039;t planted securely in the public trough (where gov&#039;t employees and legislatures always have been), believes the state is out of control.  Looking for a solution?  Fire your assemplymen and state Reps.  Feinstein is the only one who is worth a flip.  The rest have got to go.&lt;br&gt;Andy&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;PS  I will read the legislation more carefully.  What I am saying is simply that, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://Amazon.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amazon.com&lt;/a&gt; e-tailers (or whatever you call them these days) should not get a free pass at the expense of local retailers of the brick and mortar variety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On California: don&#39;t get me started on how inept and anti-business this state really is.  I have a company with 25 employees and everyone I know is either an entrepreneur, a company executive or financial industry person.  Every single person in this state whose face isn&#39;t planted securely in the public trough (where gov&#39;t employees and legislatures always have been), believes the state is out of control.  Looking for a solution?  Fire your assemplymen and state Reps.  Feinstein is the only one who is worth a flip.  The rest have got to go.<br />Andy</p>
<p>PS  I will read the legislation more carefully.  What I am saying is simply that, the <a href="http://Amazon.com" rel="nofollow">Amazon.com</a> e-tailers (or whatever you call them these days) should not get a free pass at the expense of local retailers of the brick and mortar variety.</p>
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		<title>By: jv99</title>
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		<dc:creator>jv99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 23:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t distort the facts and make it look like the poor little businesses will be singled out.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There are plenty of adds on Yahoo for Amazon and Yahoo is a California company last time I checked.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;California, New York and everybody else are going to tax Amazon and everybody else  much sooner than later.  Deal with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#39;t distort the facts and make it look like the poor little businesses will be singled out.</p>
<p>There are plenty of adds on Yahoo for Amazon and Yahoo is a California company last time I checked.</p>
<p>California, New York and everybody else are going to tax Amazon and everybody else  much sooner than later.  Deal with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brook Schaaf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brook Schaaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great write up, Loren. In addition to the immediate lost income, this law would have a future chilling effect on the affiliate marketplace in California, which has produced some great affiliate-related companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great write up, Loren. In addition to the immediate lost income, this law would have a future chilling effect on the affiliate marketplace in California, which has produced some great affiliate-related companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Brook Schaaf</title>
		<link>http://venturebeat.com/2009/04/24/california%e2%80%99s-proposed-%e2%80%9camazon-tax-%e2%80%93-bad-for-california/comment-page-1/#comment-859224</link>
		<dc:creator>Brook Schaaf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 02:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To echo Loren&#039;s comments, this bill is damaging because it uses an unfair, legally-dubious claim to establish nexus for out of state retailers. The retailers that do not want to be burdened with collecting taxes for states in which they have no actual presence can simply sever their relationships with affiliates, thus costing affiliates income. This is what happened in New York. Affiliate marketing is a form of advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To echo Loren&#39;s comments, this bill is damaging because it uses an unfair, legally-dubious claim to establish nexus for out of state retailers. The retailers that do not want to be burdened with collecting taxes for states in which they have no actual presence can simply sever their relationships with affiliates, thus costing affiliates income. This is what happened in New York. Affiliate marketing is a form of advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: ajolie11</title>
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		<dc:creator>ajolie11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 00:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, but there is a bigger picture here. First, the state wastes so much money that it&#039;s comical: let&#039;s take the Bay Bridge expansion.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Second, the state can only think about taxing instead of reducing costs. If the state were like any other business, it would cut costs and improve efficiencey while thinking about quality. As we speak, state employees don&#039;t even want to furlough a single day. If the state were a business, it would drastically cut salaries, employees and eliminate wasteful projects.  Why can&#039;t it reduce it&#039;s size by 30-40%?  And I&#039;m not talking about eliminating all the teachers.  There are ways to cut the budget by a huge amount, but the state just can&#039;t get serious.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Third, when the state is in trouble, it always has a safety net - the taxpayers.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here&#039;s the bottom line: the state is even worse than Wall Street because it will tax business and consumer even under the worst economic conditions since WWII.  Taxpayers are subsidizing the ongoing standard of living of all state employees while the standard of living of all taxpaxpayers continues to decline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, but there is a bigger picture here. First, the state wastes so much money that it&#39;s comical: let&#39;s take the Bay Bridge expansion.</p>
<p>Second, the state can only think about taxing instead of reducing costs. If the state were like any other business, it would cut costs and improve efficiencey while thinking about quality. As we speak, state employees don&#39;t even want to furlough a single day. If the state were a business, it would drastically cut salaries, employees and eliminate wasteful projects.  Why can&#39;t it reduce it&#39;s size by 30-40%?  And I&#39;m not talking about eliminating all the teachers.  There are ways to cut the budget by a huge amount, but the state just can&#39;t get serious.</p>
<p>Third, when the state is in trouble, it always has a safety net &#8211; the taxpayers.  </p>
<p>Here&#39;s the bottom line: the state is even worse than Wall Street because it will tax business and consumer even under the worst economic conditions since WWII.  Taxpayers are subsidizing the ongoing standard of living of all state employees while the standard of living of all taxpaxpayers continues to decline.</p>
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		<title>By: loren</title>
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		<dc:creator>loren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, just to clarify we are not saying that these retailers shouldn&#039;t pay taxes.  The problem with the proposed bill is that it makes California small businesses the &quot;bad guy&quot; so there will be roughly 200 major retailers that will stop working with my small company because of this bill.  It will hurt CA small businesses and make our state less competitive.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is legislation in the works at the national level that would solve the problem AND make an even playing for all states.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This proposed bill, AB 178, is not the answer our state needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, just to clarify we are not saying that these retailers shouldn&#39;t pay taxes.  The problem with the proposed bill is that it makes California small businesses the &#8220;bad guy&#8221; so there will be roughly 200 major retailers that will stop working with my small company because of this bill.  It will hurt CA small businesses and make our state less competitive.</p>
<p>There is legislation in the works at the national level that would solve the problem AND make an even playing for all states.  </p>
<p>This proposed bill, AB 178, is not the answer our state needs.</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great point and totally agree. this will hurt California in the long run if it is passed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great point and totally agree. this will hurt California in the long run if it is passed.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 22:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a California native, and have a bunch of Internet commerce related clients.  So I&#039;d like to be able to agree with you, but ethically I cannot.  I agree with the Amazon tax for a simple reason: the Internet can adapt.  Retail cannot.  Retail simply employs more people in this state and is under serious stress over the flight to Internet commerce.  And if people buy products on &lt;a href=&quot;http://Amazon.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amazon.com&lt;/a&gt;, the revenue doesn&#039;t spill into local communities which badly need it.  Dead mall syndrome becomes more acute.  Businesses close and default on more loans.  Property values continue to sink.  More misery and more distress on an economy and a state on the brink of collapse.  I&#039;m afraid your argument is simply too self serving.  Businesses will advertise on sites that add value, period.  If your site ads value, you shouldn&#039;t have a problem.  But regardless, it&#039;s ludicrous to expect that shoppers of &lt;a href=&quot;http://Amazon.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amazon.com&lt;/a&gt; are going to report their purchases and pay taxes.  And that SEATTLE BASED COMPANY or other OUT OF STATE commerce sites should NOT get a free pass.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sorry, &lt;br&gt;A Bay Area resident and Internet commerce user</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a California native, and have a bunch of Internet commerce related clients.  So I&#39;d like to be able to agree with you, but ethically I cannot.  I agree with the Amazon tax for a simple reason: the Internet can adapt.  Retail cannot.  Retail simply employs more people in this state and is under serious stress over the flight to Internet commerce.  And if people buy products on <a href="http://Amazon.com" rel="nofollow">Amazon.com</a>, the revenue doesn&#39;t spill into local communities which badly need it.  Dead mall syndrome becomes more acute.  Businesses close and default on more loans.  Property values continue to sink.  More misery and more distress on an economy and a state on the brink of collapse.  I&#39;m afraid your argument is simply too self serving.  Businesses will advertise on sites that add value, period.  If your site ads value, you shouldn&#39;t have a problem.  But regardless, it&#39;s ludicrous to expect that shoppers of <a href="http://Amazon.com" rel="nofollow">Amazon.com</a> are going to report their purchases and pay taxes.  And that SEATTLE BASED COMPANY or other OUT OF STATE commerce sites should NOT get a free pass.</p>
<p>Sorry, <br />A Bay Area resident and Internet commerce user</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Government losing out on revenue&quot;...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;...It was never their damn money in the first place! Yet another example of tax happy government legislations put together with no thought of the consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Government losing out on revenue&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;It was never their damn money in the first place! Yet another example of tax happy government legislations put together with no thought of the consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Gadget Sleuth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gadget Sleuth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They need to stop trying to figure out how to drain the bank accounts of hard working small business people and actually find real solutions to the CA budget issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They need to stop trying to figure out how to drain the bank accounts of hard working small business people and actually find real solutions to the CA budget issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Tatar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tatar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 18:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>California - rich state, and don&#039;t know, who is rights. I think that it is crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>California &#8211; rich state, and don&#39;t know, who is rights. I think that it is crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: Mahatru Goyal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mahatru Goyal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonderful, excellent, stupendous article. I never knew about this issue....... an eyeopener.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonderful, excellent, stupendous article. I never knew about this issue&#8230;&#8230;. an eyeopener.</p>
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