Apple and its iPhone get fleeced in China, but will Google fare any better?

iphone-chinaChina presents a conundrum for U.S. companies. It’s the largest market in the world, by population, and it’s consistently the fastest growing economy. There’s a huge amount of money to be made there.

However, time after time, local entrepreneurs, either with or without the tacit support of the Chinese government, have found ways to fleece American companies bare. The latest company facing a possible quagmire in China is Apple, which has so far enjoyed cult status and explosive growth in the U.S with its iPhone. For two years now, Apple has sought a carrier partner in China to distribute the iPhone, but it has failed. At first, it was in talks with China’s largest carrier, China Mobile, but the two couldn’t agree on revenue share terms. Now Apple looks to be on the verge of signing a pretty depressing deal with China’s second carrier, China Unicom.

Things are looking a little better for Google in China right now, but the jury is still out there too.

First, here’s the recent background: China Mobile’s executive Luke Bao announced at our MobileBeat2009 conference last month that the company was launching its own mobile application store. Since then, reports have provided more details about the plans: The apps store is coming this month, and its apps will be for use on the carrier’s new series of smartphones. Those phones will be based on China Mobile’s operating system, called the Open Mobile System (OMS). The OMS takes Google’s Android operating system as its foundation, but builds an additional layer on top to offer additional features such as telephony, native java, CMMB/MobileTV, location based services and a customized user interface. The OMS will also send less user data (about location, etc) back to Google’s headquarters than some other Android-based handsets do, we’re told.

China Mobile’s OMS will be compatible with all Android apps, Bao also explained at MobileBeat2009. China Mobile will also announce a way for US developers to submit apps to the OMS store. Meantime, China Mobile has been adding employees to its Silicon Valley offices recently, to make sure it has the support staff to help developers adapt. The first OMS phone to launch is the so-called “Ophone,” which according to people who have seen them, look like a total iPhone rip-off in terms of design (see image below). Dell is a device maker rumored to also have a OMS phone launching with China Mobile.

ophoneThis all comes after a flood of other, cheaper iPhone clones have already hit the market — none of them working as well as the iPhone, and thus creating confusion and dangerous brand dilution (the Chinese will get turned off by phones that don’t work, and they may not buy the real thing when if does hit the market). One mobile professional in China, Sage Brennan, tweeted yesterday: “Tons of iPhone knock-offs in China — I recently saw one with dual-sim, 2/3 iPhone dimensions, running Windows Mobile 6. Ophone is a joke.”

It doesn’t help that one of Apple’s secret latest models of its iPhone, still not released yet, was apparently stolen from a factory manager in China. And even when China gets pressure at the WTO to help enforce fairer competitive practices, piracy remains rampant, and there are no signs this will stop. There are an estimated 1 million-plus iPhones in the Chinese market, all of them are illegally “jailbroken.” To make matters worse, Chinese users already enjoy a vibrant App Store-like experience with a full catalog of pirated, free apps via software packages from Netdragon and others. Will consumers even want to pay for real, priced apps from China Unicom after they’re already so conditioned to free apps?

Of course, Apple may not be blameless. Apple has sought total control over the management of its app store, but Chinese carriers fear they’ll lose ownership of the relationship with their customers — a reasonable concern. China Mobile says it plans to give developers 70% of their sales revenue on apps sold through its Mobile Marketplace, which is exactly the same revenue share Apple gives to the developers of apps in its app store. Additionally China Mobile is reportedly going to waive fees and commissions entirely on app sales for a limited time after launches next week. If the launch goes as planned, its phones will hit the market at least a month or so before the iPhone will.

Apple is apparently in discussions with China’s No. 2 carrier, China Unicom (the carrier has 140 million subscribers, which sounds like a lot, but that pales when compared to China Mobile’s 600 million subscribers and 70 percent market share). China Unicom has bought five million iPhones from Apple in preparation for a September release, according to an unconfirmed report in the IB Times. The companies say they haven’t finalized a deal, but the report suggests they’re about to sign a three-year agreement that would give China Unicom exclusive rights to sell the iPhone in China. The key part of the arrangement, if the report is to be believed, is that China Unicom won’t pay subsidies to support sales of the phone, meaning consumers will have to fork out full price, and this means sales could be tepid. Chinese consumer purchasing power is still far weaker than it is in the U.S., yet these consumers are being asked to pay about $350 for the 8GB iPhone and about $700 for the 16GB iPhone. Apple will generate roughly $100 per unit in profit, according to estimates provided by the IB Times source. That’s much lower than the $400 or more profit Apple has been estimated to get from AT&T here in the U.S.

Many people may think Apple’s platform is formidable and can overcome these hurdles, since it claims global leadership in the app department: It has more than 65,000 apps. It’s unclear, however, how many apps an app store needs to be successful. Most of the apps on the iPhone platform are destined for obscurity; only the top few thousand will see success. It won’t be difficult for Android or other application stores to replicate those top apps (developers of those apps will have incentive enough to make a version for Android).

Two years ago, several analysts predicted Apple would have far more than 100 million subscribers of its iPhone in China in 2008. We’re now a year later, and not a single “legitimate” iPhone has hit the market via a Chinese carrier. It gets uglier for Apple with each day.

Will Apple become just the latest to suffer what has become a multi-hundred-year history of fleecing foreign business in China? In almost every other country, Apple has been able to sign up the leading carrier to carry its iPhone, effectively by telling the carrier: “You’re just a pipe, thank you very much.” In China, Apple’s being spanked back: “Apple, you’re just a hardware vendor, thank you very much…and we’ll control the App Store and user experience, and have a gazillion OEMs lined up to jump aboard the oPhone!”

So what about Google? Well, the history of foreign business in China suggests you can do well if you’re giving the Chinese something they want — by not only adapting to local market conditions, but also investing in jobs (large foreign companies such as Siemens and IBM have done well this way). But get too big, and you may draw scrutiny. Google is essentially giving away its Android operating system, as a way to realize its grand vision: Mobile phones with efficient web-based apps and browsing are good for Google’s core business of serving web ads. The question is, will this investment by Google really pay off in China, or will Google simply get drubbed again — as it was when going against Baidu, the Chinese search engine? When Google launched in 2000 in China, it quickly became the leading search engine. But in part because of action by the Chinese government, it has steadily lost market share. Baidu now has 75.7 percent market share in search, compared to Google’s 19.8 percent share. The history for most U.S. companies in China has sucked, and there’s no sign it’s gotten any better.

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  • idannyb
    A few problems with your piece … let’s start with the headline. “Apple and its iPhone get fleeced” … Fleeced? Really? Apple may soon book immediate (no deferred rev) handsome profits on this iPhone in China deal. By my swag this "rumored" initial sale could net Apple $650 million even if you use the low-ball price point in the IB Times report. That’s $650 million more than Apple had yesterday. If you call that getting “fleeced”, I’ll take that kind of shearing any day of the week and twice on Sunday!

    Your report states that Apple will have about $100 in profit per unit. Too low! Try again. iSuppli has a BOM estimate of $178.96 for the iPhone 3GS. The report from CBN (original story source) states that Apple’s iPhone deal with China Unicom is for 5,000,000 iPhones purchased upfront for $1.46 billion. That’s $292 per unit less the $178.96 = $113 (not $100)

    But there are other variables to consider. Apple will almost certainly NOT be providing China Unicom with the standard iPhone 3GS model. The special model for China will likely be the new model A1324 and it will likely cost less to build and distribute. Moreover, it is likely that China Unicom will cover virtually all shipping, marketing and distribution expenses associated with a China iPhone launch. So you can knock off another $18 to $25 per unit in expenses that Apple would normally incur. No Wifi will also save $5 to 10 per unit.

    You might also consider the possibility that the Guangdong Unicom source did not provide the correct price that China Unicom will pay to Apple. China’s Tech QQ and the China Oriental Morning Post both came out with August 2009 reports citing iPhone pricing info. The Oriental Morning Post states that China Unicom will pay Apple 3,000 CNY ($440 USD) per unit and that there will be multiple customer plan options that will reduce iPhone costs to buyers … yes subsidies. Take a look at iPhone pricing in Hong Kong. There are several attractive plans via Hutchison “3” in Hong Kong. You can buy the 16GB iPhone 3GS for HKD 4,080 ($526 USD) with a monthly tariff of HKD 138 ($17.80 USD). There is also one plan where the 16GB iPhone 3GS is “free” if you pay a monthly tariff of HKD 398 ($51.35 USD) for two years.

    Your report states - “for two years now, Apple has sought a carrier partner in China to distribute the iPhone there, but it has failed.” The iPhone in China negotiations have been affected substantially by China’s transition to 3G and the major telecom industry restructuring that was underway for the better part of 2008. The politics/economic issues surrounding this major transition made it very difficult for Apple to come to terms with China’s carriers and the regulatory authorities pulling strings. The politics of TD-SCDMA also factored heavily into iPhone negotiations with China Mobile. It was no surprise that this deal has taken this long to get done.

    Sidebar: The first China Mobile OPhones (Runing OMS) to launch will be the Dopod G2 (Dopod is the brand that HTC markets under in Asia). And Levono will likely be next in line with their Android-based OPhone. OPhones will be cool (and there will be some 18 by end of 2010), but they are not iPhone killers.

    Your post also cites the “dangerous brand dilution” due to so many iClones on the market. Pleeeze … Bandit phones have been around for years in China and they are not going away any time soon. All major brands are affected by bandit (Shanzhai ji) phones – Nokia, RIM, Apple et. al. Nearly half of all phones sold in China come from the grey-market and most are bandit phones. Buyers know they are buying cheap knock offs … Shanzhai ji are disposable phones that have a short lifespan. The brand buyers will never buy Shanzhai (because they know they are getting what they pay for) and the Shanzhai buyers won’t buy brand name phones because they won’t pay more than $60 for a phone. In other words, there are nearly 700 million wireless customers in China … 290 million (China’s middle class) are squarely in the target zone for an iPhone. The remaining 410 million are presently priced out and many opt to buy bandit phones … but that may change in 2010 if/when Apple answers with a low-priced 2G iPhone (EDGE for China Mobile).

    Your subscribers numbers were a bit off … China Mobile has 480 million subscribers not 600 million as you state. You were on target with your China Unicom numbers … they have about 139 million subscribers. You say this is a small number … compared to China Mobile yes, but put this into perspective. AT&T has about 79 million subscribers. Makes 139 million look fairly respectable, no?

    Where did you get your 100 million iPhone customers in China estimate that “analysts” had suggested Apple might get in China? Whoa Nellie! That’s some ginormous number!!! I clicked over to your source link (Dan Frommer’s piece) … I don’t read 100 million anywhere. You might want to look at that number again.

    By the way … I think one of your sources is off-base. Unless things changed very recently, China Mobile has gone on record and plans to pay developers 50% of the revenue from app sales not 70% as you reported. Apple’s 70% payout is more generous to developers than China Mobile notwithstanding China Mobile’s initial teaser deal to get developers in the door to their Mobile Market (their app store).

    Dan B
    http://iphonasia.com/
  • constableodo
    Why should China give into American companies? Apple needs China far more than China needs Apple. Every company seems to be after the Chinese market because they see big dollars signs hanging on every Chinese citizen. The Chinese probably don't even know they've fallen behind the rest of the world powers. I would say that they should make some concessions since Apple is giving the Chinese jobs to do, but Apple is probably getting far more out of it than the Chinese workers. Well, the Chinese probably want to use some handset and it might as well be the iPhone if they can afford it. I was really disappointed when I found out the 5 million unit deal was a fraud. That would have guaranteed a blowout 4Q for Apple, now it's a big fat zero.
  • Zhuubaajie
    I wonder how well any of the Chinese companies have fared in America. Protectionism will always be there. Bank of China came to New York a few years bank and opened a branch, and within a few years, the Office of the Comptroller slapped something like $15 MM fine on the branch, at that the time the largest against ANY bank, US or foreign. The crime? For making some loans without sufficient collateral. No investor or depositor lost any money. But it has to be done, y'see, cuz it was a Chinese bank, and they cannot be allowed to make too much money in America, y'see. China did not set the rules, it merely follows them. At least America can point to success stories like GM, or Motorola, and KFC, that probably make more money in China than they do in the rest of the world.
  • martyg
    first of all the fine paid by bcci (luxembourg) about 20 years ago dwarfs $15 million. investors and depositors all lost money. the state of ny cleaned up on fines.

    the usa is more important to the usa than china is to the usa. in the bottom of a lousy economy its economy is still 3 times bigger than china. a trillion in us bonds can disappear overnight when exports stop.

    as far as apple is concerned, they will do just fine with or without china. it would be nice if they were on the train but more than 4/5 ths of the world is still available.
  • China is the ultimate place for Fat Cat Executives... (as long as they have enough money to bribe officials) ...cheap labor and an almost bullet proof mechanism to Stymie competition they don't want to have...China is where the United States was in the early part of the 20th century before unions made in roads...in the next 10 - 20 years more FAT CAT EXECUTIVE billionaires will come into existence from China than all the combined countries of the world (including India)
  • sunboa
    have you ever been to China? do you speak Mandarin?
  • John
    Level playing field should be mutual. I don't see how U.S.'s market is anything close to that either. Still remember China CNOOC's failed bid to Unocal (U.S.) a few years back. That was even considered by U.S. Congress as a threat or something like that.
  • champagebob
    A purchase of 5 million phone (approximately doubling production runs) will drive down unit costs. The tremendous saving with the elimination of shipping and handling expense needs to be factored and marketing costs will be minimal.

    Volume sales are now the name of the game for Apple, not only iPhone,s but iPads and other future electronic gadgets in the works.
  • LS Chang
    I think "brand dilution" risk is minimal. Chinese consumers are quite savvy to differentiate between the "real thing" (i.e. Apple iPhone) vs. the numerous clones. There are more than 1 million unlocked real iPhones in China (and Apple makes money from hardware - about 50% margin) and the number is increasing every day. Granted if Apple does do the deal and enter the market formally, its numbers will increase dramatically. Note that the top 4 mobile brands in China are all international brands. This is also notable in the luxury market i.e. despite the many fake LV bags, real LV shops in China are doing very well as middle-class Chinese consumers want the real brand to enhance "face".
  • tony
    can i have a new software oiginal for i phone
  • KenC
    Nowhere did the link to Henry Blodget's two year old article say that penetration would be over 100M iPhones. Nowhere. His most optimistic assumption was 5% penetration, which comes out to 30M units.

    Of course the big problem with this analysis is that it makes no distinction between postpaid or prepaid subscribers.
  • Scott
    Wow, such a poorly written story!

    From the headline (Fleeced? Really? How hyperbolic of you. At least the writers didn't follow Matt Marshall's lead by using the word "rape" in the headline.) to the questionable data, this is yet another example of why VentureBeat too often sucks as a reliable news source.
  • shawnBao
    what has become a multi-hundred-year history of fleecing of foreign business in China?

    Who? The Honourable East India Company? opium mongers? slave traders? arms dealers? slave-labor factory owners?

    Multi-hundred-year history, back then in the USA and Europe, shameless & greedy capitalists were feed with workers' and slavers' blood and sweat.
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  • Aroos
    get phone
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