On Chillingo’s web site, you can easily find a link for submitting a game to the publisher of third-party mobile games. Chillingo, a division of gaming giant Electronic Arts, exists to publish mobile games from indie developers and, hopefully, turn them into big hits.

Ed Rumley of Chillingo

Above: Ed Rumley of Chillingo

Image Credit: Chillingo

Chillingo wants to make it easy for any indie game maker to submit games that it could publish. That’s because, with a million-plus active games on the Apple iTunes App Store, there’s no telling where the next big mobile gaming hit will come from. And publishers like Chillingo are always one hit game away from greatness and big piles of revenue.

Ed Rumley, general manager at Chillingo, is one of the executives in charge of finding those hits. He argues that his company can offload tasks like marketing and distribution so that developers can concentrate on making their games. That’s what Chillingo did for a little game called Angry Birds, back in 2009. And that led Electronic Arts to buy Chillingo for $20 million in 2010.

Do developers still need publishers on mobile? Listen to Rumley’s argument below.

GamesBeat: What was your impression of some of the important stuff at the Game Developers Conference (the big game trade show in March)?

Ed Rumley: You mentioned things like virtual reality hardware. For us, our focus remained on the indie developer. That’s why we’re at GDC. We saw a huge number of developers there last year, and the number of developers this year — there was a feeling among the team that it had increased again.

We met some great guys. We’re always looking for that next hit. That’s what our business is about. I’m sure you experienced it yourself, but it felt very full. Somewhere that hit’s waiting to happen.

GamesBeat: Are there a lot more publishers competing for these indie developers? The number of publishers trying to reach out toward indies seems to be growing.

Rumley: We’re certainly aware of it. At Chillingo we’re in a very fortunate position, in that we have so much heritage. Our business is more than 10 years old. We’ve been in the mobile space all that time. We’ve been there since day one in the App Store. Our reputation with the indies is solid. We’ve had a lot of editor’s choices from Apple over the last 12 months because we’re delivering quality games. I believe that’s respected by the indie community.

I’m certainly aware that there are other companies out there, but hopefully our experience and reputation will take us to the top of that list.

GamesBeat: What qualities should a developer look for in a publisher, beyond the people who are just writing big checks now?

Rumley: Obviously a track record is important. If I look at things from Chillingo’s side, we always look for a partner that mirrors the same aspirations — somebody that wants to make a good, fun, quality game. Fun’s important to us. Without that, we don’t have user engagement. Then we look for games we feel can monetize. Getting the two together — a game that can monetize and a game that can engage in the free-to-play space — is a difficult thing. We see developers who have that ability and are doing a great job.

Another thing a developer needs to look for is user acquisition. It doesn’t matter how good your product is. You need a go-to-market strategy. We have a very strong partnership with our colleagues in EA Mobile, and we have our own cross-promotion. We call it Pop the Offer. It went live last year and generates significant impressions for us. It’s a cross-promotion mechanic, creating these interactive bubbles that float around within our games. It’s a significant user acquisition tool for us.

Tiny City, published by Chillingo

Above: Tiny City, published by Chillingo

Image Credit: Chillingo

GamesBeat: How many games do you guys have out now?

Rumley: I guess there’s multiple ways to answer that. We have a very extensive back catalog because of our history. The number of games we’re publishing at any one time has gone down considerably. We were publishing a lot of games around two years ago, or even 18 months ago. Now our business has migrated from a pay-per-download business to a free-to-play business. With that, we’ve had to change not just our organization and the way we work, but the volume of games we publish. We had to shift toward a live services organization. We probably publish in the region of 40 or so games a year now.

GamesBeat: Your back library, going back to day one of the App Store — there’s a percentage of these titles that are still active, versus the total universe of titles that you’ve published, right?

Rumley: Yeah, we have certain titles, pay-per-download titles, where developers are continuing those projects. They’re some early successes on the App Store. But over time contracts expire of course.

new-flappy-birdGamesBeat: Developers now, do they often want investment or some sort of funding to help them out with publishing their titles now?

Rumley: Developers want different things. Lots of developers want experience. As I said, someone like Chillingo, our experience is very deep — not just on how to make great games, but we have experience based on the volume of games we’ve worked on. It shows in the metrics. Our average score in the U.S. App Store is currently around 4.2, 4.25 for the last 12 months.

Some developers want monetization experience, because it’s something that they find difficult to understand. We have to learn about it ourselves. We learned a lot from the teams that worked on The Simpsons, for example. And some developers do want money. There are a lot of developers out there, and their needs are very different.

GamesBeat: How can smaller titles compete in the App Store now, given the dominance of the three games that are up there now, from Gung Ho, Supercell, and King? They seem to be capable of buying just about all of the ad inventory themselves.

Rumley: What I can say is there’s certainly room in the market. On a weekly basis, you see games that do very well. We see a number of successes relative to everyone. It could be an individual in Vietnam, as an example, through to a more manufactured indie developer. But ultimately, that scale of success varies. Can people have success? Yes.

You mentioned a few games. Games at that level are very unique, when you consider that there are 7,000 games a month launching on the App Store. So there is room, but there are certain patterns in games that come out. Those are relative across all sorts of different factors — game design, monetization, and so on. There’s room in the market, but it’s tough.

GamesBeat: Flappy Bird showed that it is possible to have a viral hit, still. Do you have your own interpretation of what that game means?

Rumley: I downloaded Flappy Bird along with the rest of the world. I scored 119 on it, so I was a bit into it. We all play games for a living, and we’re very fortunate that we get to play games constantly. But when a game consumes your time like Flappy Bird, it means it’s done something right. That’s fun. I applaud that kind of breakthrough success. It was a fun game. Or I should say it is a fun game, depending on how you look at it.

GamesBeat: I know localization is one of the things you do. Some games, like Clash of Clans, they don’t really do much localization. Can you talk about that contrast?

Chillingo published Fright Nights

Above: Chillingo published Fright Nights

Image Credit: Chillingo

Rumley: Localization is important. There’s two levels to it. One, localization in terms of content, and then localization of languages. At Chillingo, we spend a bit of time on localization of actual text, making sure it’s relevant to key markets, but outside of that, we support developers how we can.

GamesBeat: Does that tend to be an attraction that draws in developers? Because they don’t have the resources for that?

Rumley: I wouldn’t say it’s a primary reason why developers join us. That would be something that comes in the very final stages of development. They’ll be working with our producers and graphic artists for several months before we get to a discussion of localization of text. Hopefully our appeal is far greater than that.

GamesBeat: What does it take to make hits these days?

Rumley: It’s a good question. Ultimately I’d say it’s an art form. You have to stand out. A huge volume of games goes through the App Store every month. Once upon a time, if you looked at the pay-per-download market, it was good enough to just be a great game. Unfortunately that’s not enough anymore. It has to be a great game, and it has to have the opportunity to monetize.

As we’re publishing fewer games, we’re turning good quality games down, because we know we’re not going to have an opportunity to monetize. Learning to balance across both of those factors is very difficult without experience. That’s what Chillingo is saying we have, because we continue to demonstrate it.

GamesBeat: What regions of the world are hot right now, in terms of app developers?

Rumley: Without a doubt, we’re seeing a big play come from the Asian markets. I’d say the hottest country for us right now is China. We have a very successful game there called Iron Force, a player-versus-player tank game. It’s doing well in countries like Russia, America, and China. It’s based on a service. I believe that’s the foundation of development there. The developers in that country get MMOs, they get service. It’s almost like breathing to them. They’re making very high-quality content.

GamesBeat: I’m still amazed to see the breadth of different creative styles out there. We mentioned Flappy Bird. I talked to the Wargaming CEO about World of Tanks on mobile, and they’ve been polishing this game for a while. They now have 3,000 employees, and I kind of joked around with him — you have 3,000 employees and you can’t ship one mobile game? It’s interesting to see this contrast.

Rumley: We’ve worked with several console developers in the past. There’s a difference between making very high-quality PC or console games and moving into the world of mobile. If you don’t have that experience, you can struggle. Clearly not everyone will struggle, but lots of companies will. It’s a very different skill set.

Another Case Solved, published by Chillingo

Above: Another Case Solved, published by Chillingo

Image Credit: Chillingo

GamesBeat: How do you perceive the success of brands in general and whether they’ll be more successful in the future?

Rumley: Brands are important. They’re important from a user acquisition perspective, but I believe Chillingo has demonstrated that we can take unknown indie content and make it famous. That’s our job. We want to make an indie developer famous. The market is challenging, but so long as you line everything up — don’t rush, continue to polish your game, soft launch it correctly — and go out with a 100 percent completed product, there will always be room for new brands.

GamesBeat: Are you happy with the state of the platforms now? Are there things you still need from them?

Rumley: I’m very happy with the state of mobile right now. Anyone who’s in the world of mobile probably loves it. If you’re having success — It’s an incredibly competitive platform, far more so than any other I’ve had the experience of working on. It’s the sheer volume of content there, and the fast pace of business models and consumer appeals. But it’s a great platform.

GamesBeat: There are still a lot of console companies that seem to be making the leap into mobile. Do you think that more and more of that is bound to happen, that bigger and bigger game companies are going to move into mobile?

Rumley: I’d be surprised if there were any console companies out there, console developers, that aren’t looking at the world of mobile right now. In terms of platform owners, I wouldn’t know, but in terms of console developers, absolutely. I’d be surprised if they’re not.

GamesBeat: The thing that’s always puzzling to me is how easy some companies make it look as far as succeeding in mobile, and then how hard it is for other companies.

Rumley: It’s not very easy to comment on the companies that have failed, because they’re just invisible. What you may not realize is the amount of work and effort and experience and everything that’s gone into a game to make it successful. I look at the level of depth we’ve built Chillingo for our developers. There’s no stone left unturned. We can spend months looking at a single icon, months looking at product descriptions. We have to deliver a certain attention to detail at every stage of the process until we manufacture a hit.

Tango Blitz, published by Chillingo

Above: Tango Blitz, published by Chillingo

GamesBeat: How would you say you’ve done over the years? What has been Chillingo’s best year?

Rumley: I would say the last year has been extremely successful for us. We’ve had a lot of strong launches, such as Iron Force. Over the last few months we’ve had a number of successful editor’s choices in the United States — Another Case Solved, Modern Command, Feed Me Oil, Fightback. We have some great games there, and they’ve all been recognized.

Our biggest shift internally has been reinventing the business, reinventing ourselves from a pay-per-download business to a free-to-play business.

GamesBeat: I know that some observers of the industry are expecting a lot of changes to free-to-play happening over time, as regulators come in and curtail certain practices. There’s a certain Wild West quality about the industry still. What’s your view on that? Is the regulation of virtual goods is a sure thing?

Rumley: The free-to-play market is continuously evolving. At companies like Chillingo, we stay very close to legislation and keep an eye on it. We’ll stay one step ahead, making sure everything we do is correct.

GamesBeat: What do you think of the Amazon Fire TV for gaming? Will he make games for it?

Rumley: It is always exciting to see new products that deliver new ways to play. EA and Chillingo are constantly exploring how to bring our games to more players, and we look forward to continuing work with our great partners at Amazon.

GamesBeat: And what are the chances that Android micro consoles will disrupt console games in the living room?

Rumley: It’s too early to say, but I do believe that new ways to play only help drive game innovation. That’s good for our developers and good for fans.

Jelly Love, published by Chillingo

Above: Jelly Love, published by Chillingo

Image Credit: Chillingo
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