You might think a world-changing startup like Airbnb would duck lawyers for as long as legally possible. But then again, you might not have met Kathleen McGee.

She’s the chief of the Internet bureau of the New York attorney general’s office. She tries to work proactively with tech companies that want to understand how law affects them.

She and her team have managed to persuade Airbnb to share data. They’ve successfully pushed Ask.fm to change its safety policies, too. The office has also had dealings with Facebook, Uber, and Lyft.

Listen closely to this week’s podcast to pick up on McGee’s pro-tech-but-pro-law rhetoric during her conversation with VentureBeat editor-in-chief Dylan Tweney and staff writer Jordan Novet.

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