John McAfee is the legendary founder of the antivirus software company that bears his name — and a man who achieved notoriety over the past few years for his party lifestyle, leading to a much-publicized outlaw escape from Belize.

In this episode, we talk to him about surveillance, privacy, and an app called Chadder he’s invested in, which promises to give you secure messaging. McAfee explains how companies like Google are collecting every bit of data about you they can — and how this could easily turn into a repressive, authoritarian situation. And he gives us advice on how to deal with that.

Plus, we tell you what to think about

Note: Due to some Skype issues, there are some occasional audio gaps in McAfee’s audio. We don’t think the recording missed any essential words, though, and the overall audio is listenable.

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