Microsoft has a lot riding on Halo Wars 2, a real-time strategy exclusive that debuts on the Xbox One and Windows on February 21. The game has been in the works for a couple of years at the Creative Assembly, the United Kingdom studio behind the Total War series.

Creative Assembly’s job is to break the curse of real-time strategy games on consoles. It turns out that it’s far easier to play such games with a keyboard and mouse, rather than a game controller. To make the game more accessible on consoles, the developer simplified the gameplay and focused on big moments when you can bring in the special abilities of your Spartans and other forces to turn the tide of battle.

I played a single player mission of Halo Wars 2, and then I played a few rounds of 2 vs 2 multiplayer and Blitz mode. Then I spoke with David Nicholson, executive producer for the game at Creative Assembly.

Here’s an edited transcript of our interview. (And here’s our stories on Halo Wars 2 multiplayer and Blitz mode).

David Nicholson, executive producer at Creative Assembly, talks about Halo Wars 2.

Above: David Nicholson, executive producer at Creative Assembly, talks about Halo Wars 2.

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GB: How long have you been working on Halo Wars 2?

David Nicholson: I think we started late in 2014. We wanted to bring Halo back into the RTS space, and we wanted to make an RTS for everyone. We wanted to get Halo fans interested in an RTS, and we wanted to expose RTS fans to the fantastic story behind Halo.

GB: It seems like a difficult job, trying to do this on a console. How did you think around that?

Nicholson: We had a very strong original title to start from. Ensemble did a great job with the original Halo Wars. We broke that down and built on what was successful about it. Then we added a great range of things.

The difficulty, the challenge comes from trying to build the RTS for everyone. There are people who love RTS and don’t play everything else. We’re trying to understand what they’re looking for and how we can satisfy those guys. But there are also people who’ve bounced off RTS in the past, who have not found it appealing. How can we make it more readily accessible, more understandable, but also get them exposure to the depth of an RTS that keeps you playing it?

GB: There’s always the crowd that enjoys the genre on PC, but has a hard time on consoles.

Nicholson: There have been some valiant, but maybe less successful attempts at doing RTS on a console. But the original Halo Wars is arguably the very best implementation of RTS controls on a console. We think it’s boiling down the things people want to do – what do you do with your units, how do you control them – and getting that as intuitive and accessible as possible with a limited number of button combinations.

We’ve done that with things like control loops. The original title had all units and local units, which we’ve maintained. But we’ve added the ability to have control loops on the console through using the D-pad. You can have up to four control loops at a time and easily switch to them, easily add or take units out of those control loops. That’s one thing we’re pushing forward.

Halo Wars 2 single-player mission Ascension teaches you how to move through a map.

Above: Halo Wars 2 single-player mission Ascension teaches you how to move through a map.

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GB: Does the tutorial take people through how to get used to that?

Nicholson: Right. We have a stand-alone tutorial. The pure purpose of that is as a training ground, teaching you how to do a variety of things like base-building, leader powers, unit selection, attacks, and counters. But also, if you decide you don’t want to play the tutorial, the early stages of the campaign are also onboarding mechanics and features and approaches for you.

GB: Are you reducing the number of units on the screen, relative to most RTS games?

Nicholson: I think we have a pretty high pop cap. We have a good number of units on screen at any time. Our camera is probably slightly closer in as well, though, because we want you to feel more involved in the battle. We want you to feel compelled to protect and care for and have some compassion for the units you deploy out there. You’re looking after them. Bringing the camera in lets you focus and get more connected to those units. Doing that with a smaller number of units is part of the approach.

GB: What’s a quick way to go between locations on the map?

Nicholson: Again, it’s on the D-pad. It’s not necessarily a move between different groups, though. In the controller options, you can set up what you want the D-pad’s default actions to be. It can either be map movement, and then control loops are a combination of the right trigger and the D-pad, or you can switch that around. Then control loops are the default, and squeezing the trigger combined with the D-pad will cycle through your bases, cycle through your armies, or jump you back to the last alert.

GB: That’s one thing I hadn’t mastered yet. Moving from one part of the mini-map to another was pretty slow.

Nicholson: Yeah. If you squeeze the left bumper, then you can accelerate across the map. The more you play, the more you use these functions, the more you ingrain that memory so that you’re more used to it.

Halo Wars 2 has furious action.

Above: Halo Wars 2 has furious action.

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GB: Playing without trying to memorize these things—what level of functionality can you get without mastering these kinds of controls?

Nicholson: We’ve certainly seen people playing Blitz with zero instruction. We didn’t have tutorials for Blitz for a long time during development. Throwing people in to play it, they soon got up to speed with how it worked. As you progress into the slightly more complex modes with multiple different options in them, then players tend to discover. That’s one of the things we tried to do with the controls. Where do you fingers fall? What are you going to try when you want to do something? “I’ve not read a manual, but I’m going to try this.”

GB: When I figured out the leader trigger, what to do there, that made the battles a lot more fun.

Nicholson: Right. The leader powers are a big thing, when you can bring them out on the field.

GB: Was that always there, or did that come into the design at a later point in the process?

Nicholson: As part of the open beta we had in June, there was a lot of player feedback that was very positive and constructive about certain things. One thing we changed was the understanding of the leader powers. We had a slightly different implementation of leader powers previously, which would have been more familiar if you’d played an MMO or an RPG. It was more like a talent tree, similar to what you’d see in something like World of Warcraft. But we found that wasn’t as readily understandable to players.

We moved that into the radial menu where it is now, which is more familiar. It’s a very similar interface, similar user experience to other parts of the game. We’ve found that people pick up on that much more quickly. It’s more intuitive to say, “Okay, I want this, and I want to double down on that.” We thought the earlier way was intuitive, but that’s only because it’s intuitive if you’ve played a certain set of other games that do things the same way.

GB: Are you able to have this point of contact, use the leader, and somehow feed more troops into the battle at the same time? Or do you have to break off from the leader to go back to the base and start building more?

Nicholson: In Domination, Strongholds, and Deathmatch you’re always building more units back at the base, but you can move the rally point if you want to. We see the more advanced players constantly moving the rally point. They’ll set a rally point, set some build orders, get the guys moving, and then move them somewhere else. There are some good tactics to employ if you’re familiar with exactly where the rally point needs to be. You can start pumping out units, and then you know they’ll go over and attack straightaway rather than sitting at the base waiting for you to tell them what to do.

Halo Wars 2 single player has a lot of leader-triggered big moments.

Above: Halo Wars 2 single player has a lot of leader-triggered big moments.

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GB: I was trying different things, like getting a big pile of all kinds of troops and sending that one big group out. But when you run out of those you have to go back and rebuild.

Nicholson: Exactly. It’s interesting to observe the tactics of—players sometimes feel that they can win with overwhelming numbers. They’ll sit at their base, set out turrets to defend the base, and then just build and build and build. Another player could take the same time to go and secure power nodes on the map. They’re generating a lot of resources, and they may not be spending all of them on their units, but then they can build out a smaller number of more powerful units that come over and wipe out your army. You’ll be left with no army and they’ll still have a ton of resources left. Then you’re exposed to different tactics for learning to counter that sort of thing. There’s depth for players who want it, but still accessibility for new players.

GB: If someone does come at you with something like 20 air units, is there a particular response you would do with that big an attack?

Nicholson: With that many air units, I want a bunch of Wolverines. You don’t necessarily need to retreat from that. If you’re just coming at me in the air and I’ve got my Wolverines out there, I’m pretty confident I’m going to do okay. It depends, though. If you have a bunch of infantry coming in from one side as well, then maybe I need to start bringing my vehicles out as well. It’s rock-paper-scissors, with some interesting nuances on the side. As I say, there’s a lot of depth in it.

GB: I got hurt pretty badly by a lot of those air unit attacks. I wasn’t ready.

Nicholson: That’s the interesting thing. If you’re in Deathmatch at that point, you can look at and think, “Okay, about seven minutes back I should have stocked up on this resource to build this building to pump out more Wolverines.” But if you’re in a mode like Blitz, you think, “Okay, I have some Wolverines in my deck, so let me cycle through these guys, discard these cards, pay a slight energy penalty, and get the Wolverines right out.” You’re still in the battle and you can counterattack. Then you go back to the deck management aspect. Is this deck solidly equipped to counter everything, or do you need to try a different approach? Do you maybe just need to stay out of the way of those air attacks and capture points more quickly?

GB: Is there an advantage to having a lot of bases?

Nicholson: We see strategies where having multiple bases is helpful, certainly. Then you’re dividing the area that your opposition needs to attack, and you’re also making sure you have the ability to build up armies in different places. If your main base is taken over, you still have somewhere you can pump out some units and maybe go recapture your main base or start building something new. You’re not just wiped out if you lose one location.

Cinematic moment with the commander in Halo Wars 2.

Above: Cinematic moment with the commander in Halo Wars 2.

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GB: Now that you’re close to the end product, where do you think fans are going to find the most fun?

Nicholson: What we’ve got is a game that’s going to be, as I say, the RTS for everyone. If you love Halo, there’s a lot in this game you’re going to enjoy: the story, the environments, how we’re moving the universe on, the familiar units and the new ones. We have a whole new faction of new units we’ve brought into the world. If you’re an RTS fan, we have the depth there. You have the ability to explore that with a compelling console control mechanism. You can play this game if you know a lot about the Halo lore and the Halo backstory, but you don’t have to know anything about it. You can still come in and experience a compelling adventure. I think players are going to enjoy all of that.

Hopefully they’re going to enjoy the new Blitz mode, too. It’s a fresh approach to playing an RTS. It separates some of the strategy outside of the battle and lets you deploy your tactics. There’s a lot in there that appeals to a variety of people.

GB: Is it going to be possible for PC and console players to play each other, or is there not much point in that?

Nicholson: The title is an Xbox Play Anywhere game, so if you purchase the digital version on one platform then you get it for free on the other one as well. But we don’t have cross play. PC can’t play against console and vice versa. There are pros and cons to it. That’s certainly on a list of things we’d like to do. We’d like to get to it in the future. But early on we had to make some priority calls as far as where we focus our time and our talent. We decided to focus on the campaign and on innovations like Blitz. Maybe cross play will come into the series further down the line.

GB: As far as where people spend time, does it seem like they go back and forth between multiplayer and campaign and co-op?

Nicholson: Yeah. There’s a compelling campaign in there. It’s great fun to play, a great story to move the universe forward. There’s the co-op element for both campaign and skirmish mode, so you can play against AI with a friend. And then you have 1v1, 2v2, and 3v3 in all three of the more traditional multiplayer modes, as well as Blitz. And you can play Blitz in solo or co-op modes. There’s a lot to do, a lot of Halo Wars for people to play.