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The new Zelda is out, and I love it. In my review, I said it was the best game Nintendo has ever made. I’m that into it, but not everyone is like me.

So as the host of the GamesBeat Decides podcast, I decided to catch up with freelancer Willie Clark, who thinks Breath of the Wild is maybe one of the worst Zelda games Nintendo has ever made. Join Willie, Mike Minotti, Dean Takahashi, and me as we discuss, argue, and yell about The Legend of Zelda.

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