VC-backed Cash4Gold attracts complaints (updated)

[Updated: Cash4Gold representative Weronika Cwir has responded, and vehemently denied many of the allegations made in this article. She said the main source VentureBeat quoted was a short-term employee terminated by the company who has malicious intent. Below is her response in italics:]

Virtually every point made by the author of the posting is false or misleading. Following is a list of some of those statements:

1) It is false to claim there is a Cash4Gold “scam.” Furthermore, no employee is ever taught such a “scam.”
2) It is false to claim that the company insures the refiner’s pack “according to how much they feel your items are worth.” In fact, the insurance on the refiner’s pack is provided free of charge by the company and is not based on any assessment by the company of the value of the items being sent. (How could the company evaluate items before they are received?)
3) It is false to claim that the company doesn’t tell customers when their pack is received. In fact, the company immediately tracks items received and there is no delay in so informing those who inquire.
4) It is false to suggest the company uses inappropriate or insufficient methods for evaluating jewelry. In fact, Cash4Gold uses state-of-the-art equipment and techniques to evaluate precious metals. The methods used are well-known among jewelry experts and Cash4Gold’s proprietary standards far exceed those of competitors.
5) It is false to claim that the company’s site has been closed for “health” violations. In fact, the refinery and testing facility are A-rated by OSHA for being safe environments.
6) It is false to claim that checks are dated 3-4 days before they are sent out. In fact, as an internal audit recently confirmed, checks are dated the same day they are sent out.
7) It is false to claim the company shortcuts the 10-day period for customers to ask for their items back. In fact, the company makes it very easy to ask for the return of materials – by phone, e-mail or mail – and holds items for an extra 5 days beyond the 10 to accommodate such requests. This is supported by the fact that very few customers complain that they missed the time period cutoff.
8) It is false to claim that it is difficult for customers to get through to the company’s customer service representatives. In fact, the company has invested significant resources in customer service and has call metrics consistent with industry standards. Nine out of 10 calls are answered within one minute and anyone making even a modest effort to reach customer service will have no problems.
9) It is false to claim that “97% of the time customers are outraged” by the amount offered. In fact, quite the opposite is true. More than 93% of customers cash the Cash4Gold check and are satisfied with the transaction.
10) It is false, insupportable and abhorrent to claim that the company has ever denied receiving an item so that top executives can “get first dibs.” This is tantamount to an accusation of theft and we would encourage anyone with evidence of such a crime to report it to the police. It is simply false, defamatory and irresponsible to make such a claim.

There are clear facts and documents related to these matters and this list does not include every falsehood in the posting.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter. I look forward to hearing back from you with regard to immediate steps you are taking to remove this defamatory content from your site.

Regards,
Weronika

If you watched the Super Bowl this past Sunday, then you already know about Cash4Gold. In a comedic coup, the gold-smelting startup recruited both Ed McMahon and MC Hammer for one of the event’s coveted TV spots. “I can get cash for this gold medallion of me wearing a gold medallion!” exclaims Hammer, with McMahon chortling, “My gold hip replacement.”

Yes, the economy is obviously in dire straits when a company that buys your used wedding rings can lay down $3 million for a 30-second ad. But behind the chuckling, Cash4Gold is a serious startup.

The company has enjoyed a meteoric rise over the past couple of years and recently beat out any number of hopeful startups to take a whopping $40 million from General Catalyst Partners and Highland Capital Partners, at least according to peHUB. By all reports, nobody on either side of the investment is talking, with the exception of an email Xconomy received from General Catalyst that confirmed the company’s presence in its portfolio.

That’s no surprise; there’s a long tradition in venture capital of touting impressive-sounding companies and remaining mute on potentially embarrassing, if profitable enterprises, a tactic environmentally sensitive Kleiner Perkins, for one, has chosen for its investment in the oil-drilling outfit Terralliance. The silence is to be expected.

Yet others are beginning to let loose — customers and employees — and some aren’t happy. Yesterday a post titled 10 Confessions of a Cash4Gold Employee hit the Consumerist via ComplaintsBoard. “On my first day of being hired, I was taught the “Cash 4 Gold Scam” from beginning to end,” begins the poster. Here are some choice nuggets:

2. We receive your “Refiner’s Pack” within 3-4 days, BUT we are instructed to tell you that it takes “7-10 business days, for us to receive your pack, ALTHOUGH many times, your package has already arrived. (All cash4gold customers who have called customer service to track a package can vouch for this)…

3. Your jewelry gets appraised by hand, a magnifying glass, a plastic container, a small weight pad, and a bottle of ORANGISH fluid … I have witness testers being transported to Medical Centers, due to the testing department environment. There is literally a cloud of smoke in the air from acid and other testing material. If you were thinking it was some state-of-the-art testing facility, you thought WRONG.

4. Although the payment (check) for your item is dated within 24 hrs of testing your jewelry, we SOMETIMES DO NOT actually send out the check until up to 3-4 days later. (if you are a customer check the date the check was issued against the stamped date on the envelope.)

5. We do offer a 100% Satisfaction Guarantee or your jewelry returned, BUT THE CATCH IS, that the guarantee is to contact us within 10 DAYS from when your check is DATED…

6. You generally receive your check around the “7th-10th” business day, AND majority of the time Customers are outraged when they lay eyes on the amount of their check. Some Customer’s even receive a check for 0.01 cents.

To boil down the complaints of the employee and some customers who have left internet posts on the company, Cash4Gold gives customers 10 days to dispute the value of their check or ask for their gold to be returned but purposely delays the check to the point that it sometimes arrives after those 10 days are up — and the gold is already melted. According to the allegations, it also intentionally underpays, forcing unhappy customers to call and ask for higher rates, which customer service reps are trained to haggle over.

The Better Business Bureau confirms the complaints, of which it has received over 250 — although it does gives the company a C+ rating for responding to those complaints it receives.

Another review on the BBB suggests the company is also running a postal service scam in which it “misplaces” packages it receives, paying less than their value in insurance. And, as a commenter on the Consumerist points out, Cash4Gold is a thief’s dream in that it makes stolen goods utterly untraceable, dryly saying, “I’m looking forward to Cash4Electronics, Cash4Babies and Cash4KidnappedPeople in the near future.”

Yet the recession trudges on, and people are still cash-strapped; many will be pleased with any payment for their jewelry. And as long as Cash4Gold responds to customer complaints, it’s unlikely the company will get much attention from the long arm of the law.

Finally, from an investment standpoint, the company seems solid; according to peHUB’s post (now behind a subscription wall), the company could be making a million dollars a week. There aren’t many web startups that can claim as much. So I’m curious to hear from readers — if you were in a venture capitalist’s shoes, would you invest in Cash4Gold?

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Chris Morrison writes about cleantech and environmental issues for VentureBeat, with occasional forays into gaming and semantic technology. He got his start writing about tech for Business 2.0 magazine, but quickly realized new media was the ticket when that institution closed its doors in 2007. Chris has also covered public equities and regulatory issues. He originally hails from southern Virginia, graduated from Evergreen State College in Washington, and now lives in San Francisco.

  • This really was the most depressing commercial. Ever.
  • jeremiahsjamison
    Though I've never used this services, this behavior doesn't surprise me at all. It carries on a long tradition in services that provide cash to the cash-strapped--e.g., check cashing services, payday loans, etc., all have opearted one step up from loan sharks (on a good day).

    I am pretty surprised though at your question: "if you were in a venture capitalist’s shoes, would you invest in Cash4Gold?" We're not even a month into the Obama era, when chatter in the technosphere has gone on and on about how responsibility is the new watchword, how we need to look out for each other, how change matters. If you believe in all that, then how can you justify scamming people with these kinds of sleazy tactics?

    To answer your question: I'd only invest if there was a demonstrated commitment to get an A+ from the Better Business Bureau. These services have value, but if they use predatory tactics, then they should be fixed.
  • Sean C
    Depressing....comon people, there are enough scams around. We dont need another one
  • There's more. My pal Rob @ cockeyed.com (awesome funny website with a sprinkly of consumer scam outings, inc. Herbalife) ascertained that you were offered as standard 1/3rd of the value of your gold;

    http://cockeyed.com/citizen/goldkit/cheat.html

    Now, this happens to be the second result on Google for 'cash4gold', which made them rather anxious, so they tried to bribe Rob to take down his piece or change it significantly;

    http://cockeyed.com/citizen/goldkit/reputation.shtml

    So the disgrace piles on disgrace.

    That said, I do not think that all venture investors (or perhaps many) look at their business opportunities through an moral filter. Whether or not the business is sustainable is another question.
  • Thanks Daniel, I didn't catch that one.
  • Robert Fever
    Good lord... can someone remind me why shiny metal is valuable? This is thoroughly absurd. I'm sticking with my polished snail shell beads.

    Do you have any tobacco?

  • Strong cashflows sound great, but who are they going to unload this investment on? It sounds like their growth is going to get capped because their shady business practices are building a poor reputation for them. Plus, once the economy turns around, this business won't look attractive anymore.
  • Mikel
    A recent story claims Cash4Gold is generating $1M per week. If so, that's lots of cash considering that some analysts claim gold will hit $2,000 oz over the next 12 months.
  • I wouldn't invest in this company, just as I wouldn't invest in a tobacco company. How could you sleep at night knowing you were hurting people in the name of the almighty dollar.
  • Cash4GoldInc
    A response to the disgruntled employee can be found here:

    http://cash4gold.blogspot.com/2009/02/response-...

    It is important to remember that this is a short-time employee who was terminated, so there are bound to be some hard feelings. While the company takes all accusations seriously, these certainly need to be kept in context.

    Daniel -- There is also a response to Cockeyed's original article here:

    http://cash4gold.blogspot.com/2009/02/response-...

    And reference to the Joe Laratro situation here:

    http://cash4gold.blogspot.com/2009/02/response-...

    Regarding any complaints about payout, more than 93% of customers do accept their checks. That said, most complaints stem from the fact that customers expect to get from Cash4Gold what they would get from a pawn shop. Cash4Gold is a refinery and pays for the value of the gold when it's been melted down. A pawn shop can pay based on the value of the workmanship and resell of the original piece. Anyway, there's more on this in those responses that were referenced.

    All in all, it's recognized by the company that 1) more needs to be done to educate prospective customers and set reasonable expectations, and 2) work needs to be done to repair the company's image. Much of that involves a level of transparency.
  • Seems Weronika Ciwr has been busy on the net with the same freaking defamation email. I can't wait for the Streisand effect to kick in. (We got one to for pulling direct quotes from consumerist.com). So lame....
  • d
    As a founder of a company in the same space I was considering pitching G. Catalyst and Highland - that is on hold now since I would not want to be associated with any company with questionable ethics. This information has been available on the Web for years and for them to ignore it is poor judgement. They also operate an email spam scheme which you couldn't escape if you were in a cave in Afghanistan.
  • Cash4gold is not a scam. My mother used it and she did get $200 for a old chain. Of course a local jewler we know later told her she could have easilly have gotten $700.

    Oh well a sucker is born every minute i Guess.
  • johnsanto
    Most recently I used another leading site call www.mygolddepot.com after leaning of the horrible storys from crapforgold.com I have to tell u www.Mygolddepot.com was amazing ! I recieved a check with in 11 days of my package being sent to them and I was honestly shocked by the check I got, ($329.00) I e-mail there customerservice department once when I had a question and they responded w/ in the same day. Great customer service and and even better, a GREAT payout ! I have now used www.mygolddepot.com 2 more times since my first transaction for a total of $1,123.00 in payments. Mygolddepot.com Rocks !

    J santo
  • jrev
    Decided to take a look at their site and seems they are legit and doing some good
    http://news.prnewswire.com/ViewContent.aspx?ACC...
  • wandak
    have you guys seen the newest cash4gold news? it has to do with the California fires

    http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/cash4go...
  • johnshowner
    Cash4gold is a scam and Jeff and the other managers will be in jail just like Brenie Madoff with in the next two years. Take a look at the back round of these guys and you will see who's really behind this company.
  • its a scamm