Media insiders say Internet hurts media insiders, according to insidery survey

Oh boy, you know this is going to be good — the Atlantic just published a poll of “media insiders” (the magazine’s words, not mine) asking whether the Internet helps or hurts journalism. Shockingly, it turns out that most of these old-school media folks aren’t fans of the web! Sixty-five percent said the Internet has hurt journalism, while only 34 percent said it had helped. Here’s a sample comment:

[The Internet] has mortally wounded the financial structure of the news business so that the cost of doing challenging, independent reporting has become all but prohibitive all over the world. It has blurred the line between opinion and fact and created a dynamic in which extreme thought flourishes while balanced judgment is imperiled.

And another:

News consumption depends on news production, and I don’t see anything on the Internet that produces news — that is, detailed responsible empirical journalism –the way newspapers do (or did).

Now, I’ve already ranted about the silly old media assertion that the Internet is just a parasite on the independent, investigative journalism published by traditional news conglomerates, but since it keeps popping up, it’s worth digging into this idea a little more. First of all, the assertion that you can’t find lengthy, in-depth journalism on the Internet is just dumb. Ditto the idea that the web is responsible for the phenomenon of blending straight reporting with opinion, which is just not true. Most surprising of all, though, is the suggestion that newspapers are such bastions of in-depth, substantive journalism. I say “surprising,” because it was an article in the Atlantic earlier this year that — while echoing many of the concerns about the web — made the most persuasive case that newspapers have done a great job of eliminating their own journalistic value without the Internet’s help:

Under the guise of “service,” The Times has been on a steady march toward temporarily profitable lifestyle fluff. Escapes! Styles! T magazine(s)! For a time, this fluff helped underwrite the foreign bureaus, enterprise reporting, and endless five-part Pulitzer Prize aspirants. But it has gradually hollowed out journalism’s brand, by making the newspaper feel disposable.

In other words, it’s not the Internet that has taught readers to devalue newspapers, it’s the newspapers. And as much as I sympathize with worries that the web has less room for quality journalism, reading self-satisfied, self-serving crap like the comments in this poll just annoys the hell out of me.

I should also mention that the poll methodology is rather weird. The sample size was a whopping 43 people, small enough that the aggregated results tell you just about nothing. What’s valuable, of course, are the comments, but even though every single respondent is named at the end of the article, the comments themselves are anonymous. It’d be nice to know if the above statements came from Talking Points Memo’s Joshua Micah Marshall, NPR’s Nina Totenberg, MSNBC’s Tucker Carlson, or someone else entirely.

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  • That is a great article. All they had to do was provide the same kind of journalism they were taught to in schools. Now, when I go out to pick up the LA Times off the driveway to give to my wife, I have to practically hold my nose. They thought they could control our thoughts, and in exchange the free market gave them the heave-ho.

    My mother-in-law has been a syndicated music columnist for several Bay Area newspapers for decades. She laughs at any assertion that anything appearing in a newspaper is to be considered as fact, even though she is an old-school Lib. All kinds of stories about how the reporters would just sit and make up whatever sounded good for the audience whenever they needed to fill in the blanks.
  • Best...title...ever.
  • Thanks! I borrowed it from Eric Eldon.
  • Dave L
    Anthony, I love your tech coverage man but seriously, who are you kidding??... have you clicked over to the Huffington Post recently??

    Its Drudge2.0 -hell, it's worse than that because at least that dude's megaphone only takes up a single page. Their knack for spinning almost any cycle-owning event into "us" vs "them" tomfoolery is second only to FOXNews circa 2003. 90% of the headlines, bi-lines & stories on that site are inflammatory, divisive, totally devoid of the kind of coverage we get from sources like venturebeat.

    And what does VB (and everyone else) win for doing things right - for bringing us the news on the rocks, straight up - no twist?? About 10x less traffic than the good folks over at HuffPo.

    That said, your basic point does remain - the mainstream rags sold themselves out over the last 5 years (like so many others) - and now, those of us with half a brain see little difference between them and their Multi-National Overlords who pay 100% of their salaries now. FakeSteve Jobs nailed it cold when he went off on the massive conflicts of interest that is the relationship between IBM and NYT. Amazing what kind of coverage a little decent amount of green can get ya. Same goes for so many other house of cards bluechips (aka GE, AIG, C, IBM etc) -

    So, while the HuffPost may = garbage warmed over twice, that still doesn't change the fact that old school rags like the NYT forfeited their right to Cry Foul. Instead of strengthening their brand during the good years via intelligent, serious reporting (aka "use the good years to caulk their hulls and clear their rigging; in other words – to pay off debt") they sold out to Exon, Halliburton and all the rest who made out like bandits during the cycle.

    In other words, does it suck that warmed over garbage has become the panem et circenses of a new & rapidly growing mass of mindless, drama-obsessed Americans? Hell yeah. But that doesn't mean I'm going to listen to anyone from the MSM claiming Religion on the 4th Estate. Crying foul now relegates them to the same line so many Republican politicians find themselves presently occupying. Just as you can't take Govn't to 11, then start wining about how bad Big Govn't is for America, you can't make a totally mockery of the duties ascribed to the 4th estate then point and shout at the dangers of Americans reading shit like the huffpo.
  • Dave, I agree with most of your comment, so I'm not sure what part of my post you're arguing with. Certainly, I agree that most of what you find on the blogosphere is crap, but that doesn't invalidate the medium. I'm a big believer in Sturgeon's Law (when asked to justify the fact that 90 percent of science fiction is crap, Theodore Sturgeon replied that 90 percent of *everything* is crap).
  • Dave, I think the difference is that newspapers are expected to be journalistic. We were all laughing at them before the Web. If newspapers had continued to hold up their high standards, the free market would not have answered the way it has.

    HuffPo is purely tabloid entertainment with only vague attempts to cloak itself as actual news. I don't see them competing with anything other than Mother Jones. Drudge, however, is simply links to traditional news articles; many on AP, CNN and NYT. Yes, they are chosen by the editor. But you would never see that even-handedness on HuffPo.
  • Ahh.. don't be too hard on these guys.. they just don't know any better.. definitions of what knowledge is has shifted.. and do to being insulated.. they missed the memo.. I say send them a copy of Jared Diamonds book on why societies choose to fail or succeed.. And you know.. we should feel proud of them for learning how to use there email...

    I'm fairly regularly having conversations with journalists whom.. are all at various stages in there understanding of the internet.. Not too long ago I was at a meet up with such a group.. in a conversation lead by Chris Brogan.. The folks there were super smart about this sorta thing.. but at the same time.. it seemed to me very much like everyone was largely still thinking through the old frameworks of understanding all this stuff.

    I wonder if this is just like.. how people think or something.. like our education system doesn't teach us how to think where there are no boxes around to think in. Perhaps there should be a new public service education campaign insisting that the only hope is that students spend there days at school smoking pot in the bathroom.. cause other wise.. with the whole grading system being centered around outmoded, or soon to be outmoded, power structures defining how information, knowledge, and thought ought be organized.. its like we are just socializing people not know how to cope in this emerging climate
  • Pat Meehanq
    I stopped buying the Boston Globe over 12 months ago because 1) they stopped putting news in the newspaper, and 2) the "news" that they did include was full of opinion and editorialized. While I don't share the editorial bent of the Globe, I always appreciated their reporting of news events and the investigative reporting that they did. By the way, if the Wall Street Journal thins out it's paper any more, I'll probably stopped buying that as well. At the end of the day, it will have been the newspapers that killed the newspaper industry
  • Seig halo
    Niña totemberg?!?!?!

    She is a total douchebag moron. Tucker carlson?! Even worse.

    If by harming journalism they mean making it harder for cia-sponsored disinformation specialists like tucker and totemkopf, then yes, the web is making it harder for oldschool propagandists.