The bizarre case of Oak Investment Partners

The venture capital industry is in a lot of pain, saddled with so much money, it can’t invest it properly. With the Internet boom over, and investors pulling back from supporting venture capital firms, we’ll see a lot of the mediocre VC firms finally die (see our list of the walking dead).

Which brings me to Oak Investment Partners.

Almost three years ago, I wrote how Oak Investment Partners had become the largest venture capital firm. Despite a very mediocre track record — it hadn’t made real money for its investors for years — the firm managed to raise $2.56 billion from investors. At the time, I wrote how perplexed I was that its investors would cough up that sort of money.

So I was also surprised to find out this week that Oak is trying to raise yet another fund, in this environment, targeted at $1.5 billion. Surprised, because the firm has continued to struggle. As of Sept. 30, the firm’s 2004 and 2001 vintage funds had produced net internal rates of return (IRR) of just 1 percent and 5 percent respectively, according to performance data posted by the Washington State Investment Board. Those rates are significantly below expected returns for such a risky sector (funds are tied up for years, and so investors want to be assured of getting higher returns than market average).

Meanwhile, a 1999 vintage Oak fund was generating a negative 4.2 percent net IRR as of Sept. 30. All of this data comes from before the downturn happened in October. Since then, of course, the chances for strong returns on its remaining portfolio companies have slimmed considerably. The WSJ reported the Oak performance data earlier this week.

But the worrying thing, in my view, is that Oak has done all this while relying in part on public money. One of Oak’s lead investors so far is the State of Washington. For three years, I’ve made multiple calls to the Washington State Investment Board, seeking comment and explanation for why it invested in Oak even though Oak has apparently lost money on the investments for Washington. I’ve never heard back. The silence is odd, given that most public institutions routinely call back reporters when they have questions. Oak also did not respond to a request for comment on this story.

While there’s a huge list of VC firms that are shriveling away, Oak is an example of a firm that continues to stay alive, raising fund after fund, even though it hasn’t performed well. Why? Well, in 1998, it did produce a fund that made good money, at a 55 percent IRR — but that fund was invested back in the run up to the Internet bubble when it was difficult not to make money. For some reason, Oak has been able to stay on the list of trusted firms for investors ever since.

Insiders tell me it’s a case of smug relationships in the limited partner community. Limited partners are those large institutions, such as state pension funds and college endowments, that place large amounts of money in VC firms. To diversify their investments, these LPs chose years ago to mandate that a certain percentage of their money be invested into VC firms. But because making such investments are difficult — you’ve got to do a lot of research to decide which VC funds to invest in — these LPs often took the easy route: They simply selected only a few VC firms to support, to avoid having to do due diligence on multiple investments. And they chose to park their money at the biggest VC firms, because these firms could absorb large amounts of cash. Here’s the catch: It’s often the smaller VC firms that have the discipline to make smarter bets, because they’re investing smaller amounts of cash more carefully. With start-ups being more capital efficient these days, it doesn’t make sense to pump a lot of cash into them.

Cleverly, Oak, along with some other venture firms such as VantagePoint and New Enterprise Associates, realized becoming a massive venture capital firm would help them raise money. Their size allowed them to absorb large checks the large pension funds wanted to give them. Yet, they retained the “VC” status, and thus were appealing to LPs, who at the same time were avoiding private equity and hedge funds because of the crowded nature of those industries. (Indeed, NEA and Oak alone accounted for 20 percent of all VC raised in 2006.) Finally, with legal mandates to invest in the VC sector, the LPS were forced to invest in some weak VC firms. There simply wasn’t enough room in the great VC firms — Sequoia, Kleiner, Benchmark and their ilk — to absorb all the LP money. The vast majority of VC firms actually lose money, and yet many of them have been supported year after year because of the crazy excess of money flowing to the sector.

Another cool thing about being a big VC firm is that its partners can draw huge salaries. Partners typically take a 2 percent management fee, from which they draw their salaries. The math gets insane: Partners take this fee every year for the duration of the fund. And venture funds usually last for 10 years, or the time it takes a firm’s partners to dispense the money, nurture the companies to growth, and then sell them or take them public. In a fund’s latter years, fees taper off to about 1 percent. You do the math: It turns out to roughly 15 percent of $2.5 billion (the size of Oak’s last fund), or $370 million in fees. That’s enough for each partner to make millions a year. Again, I haven’t been able to check any of this, because I’ve had no calls returned.

Here are a few of the investment bets Oak has made recently. They may end up making money, but each one of them looks extremely risky, if not ridiculously so:

–Oak helped plow $146 million into Babystyle, which seemed a misguided venture from the start because the baby retailer was investing in off-line stores at a time when online retailing was the place to be. Can anyone be surprised that Babystyle filed for bankruptcy last year?

–Oak led a $25 million investment into Huffington Post at a reported valuation of close to $100 million, even though Huffington Post hasn’t shown any novel way to make money. It’s largely dependent on internet advertising, like most other media companies.

–Oak led a $100 million investment into Rearden Commerce, a mobile concierge service, at a valuation at half a billion dollars, just as a mass of other free and cheap office and consumer mobile applications are hitting the iPhone and other phone platforms — all valued at a fraction of Rearden’s value.

–Oak has continued to support Visto, a messaging company, even as the company burned through hundreds of millions of dollars, and as others of its peer investors in the company, such as VantagePoint Partners, pulled back their support, fearful of its burn rate, according to our sources. Visto acquired money-losing messaging service Good last year, but we’re hearing that Visto was actually paid good money by Motorola to take Good off Motorola’s hands — because Motorola didn’t want to sustain the losses on its own books. How Visto stops those losses is another question. We also hear that Oak invested in Visto and then recapitalized Visto a few years ago before investing new money into the company (meaning it reset its value very low).

–Oak helped invest at least $130 million into eSolar, which is making large-scale solar thermal utility plants at a time when such investments are really tough to make profitable (the economic downturn has made alternative sources of energy less costly).

We’re hearing now that Oak is having a more difficult time than it expected to raise its next fund. It has pushed back its April deadline for an initial raise of its next fund to June.

Other large firms are taking steps to reduce the target sizes of their funds. New Enterprise Associates has decided to raise only $2 billion to $2.5 billion, instead of an initial $3 billion goal, the WSJ reported. However, NEA, too, is relying a lot on public investors: It has raised $15 million from the Indiana State Teachers’ Retirement Fund, $150 million from the Teacher Retirement System of Texas, and $15 million from the San Francisco Employees’ Retirement System.

Meanwhile, TA Associates wants to raise a $3.5 billion fund, and has hired an agent to help it for the first time, and lowered its carry (the percentage of profits it demands from deals before returning money to investors) to 20 percent from 25 percent. It too is relying on public money: The Massachusetts Pension Reserves Investment Management Board approved a $150 million commitment to the fund, double the amount that it pledged to the fund’s predecessor, according to the WSJ.

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  • Mark
    Awesome story... this is the tip of the iceberg. I think NEA could become the single largest destroyer of capital in the history of silicon valley. It' s not just the biggest firms... keep digging Matt and you'll find many many more firms that continue to raise money despite the fact that they haven't had respectable returns in over a decade. We are talking about people's pension money here. What some of these firms are doing should be criminal.
  • Matt, great article. Sure, it has some conjecture, but this is the type of combined analysis and deep understanding that I love to see in VentureBeat. Keep up the good work and have a nice day!
  • Alex
    Holy Geez!!!
    This is the best post I have seen all year. Seriously OUTSTANDING!!!

    Its about time that people wake up and see why the VC industry is so secretive. They are milking pension funds for billions of dollars every year in just management fees. Consider that my wife contributes to CalStars pension (Ca. Public Teachers retirement) I take this quite personal. Imagine some *asswipe* GP making a seven figure salary, having negative returns and school districts handing out pink slips for teachers that are making $40K and working harder then these GP's that are holding lunch meetings at private golf country clubs. The interests simply don't line up. The irony is Teachers in the public school system give VC's money and the VC's put their children in private schools. What a joke!!!!! But, humorous. Here's a peak at one the perks of being able to milk management fees from public teachers pension funds. Half the the student body at this school in Menlo (Silicon Valley) is made up of VC children- paying $31,000 per year; http://www.menloschool.org/admissions/tuition_f...

    There are some government changes coming down the pike that will change this ridiculous, evil and bloodsucking industry.

    @ Matt we've never met. But, when we do, I'll buy you a beer and shot of tequila.
  • Jim L.
    Be glad you wife is contribution to CalSTRS; there will be money there at retirement because they are doing the diversifying for her and VC limited partnerships are just a small part of the pie. As for the "peek" a the perks, I doubt one-half of the Menlo School parents are in VC; more likely, in high tech generally. VC is a far cry from investment banking, the source of all of the toxic assets which have created our problems and the world's second oldest profession (whose practitioners lack only the higher moral character of those who participate in the oldest). Or commercial banking/consumer credit, the source of the subprime mess.

    VC invests primarily in startup technology ventures, of course, which few are blaming for our problems today.
  • classic example of why venture funds should remain small. just from a purely mathematical perspective, it becomes very difficult to generate venture-like returns using a larger fund. You need that many more home runs.... but there are only so many investable startups out there. the death of medicore VCs is a good thing for the LPs, companies, and VCs. It's a net gain for everyone.
  • larry
    Wow Matt, you've got some stones! You admit that there is a lot conjecture in this story, but I'm sure you got more right than you did wrong. Good for you for having the courage to challenge the unchallengeable. It's nice to see insightful and original reporting on Venturebeat again.
  • Money
    How many mulligans do you give people? These guys are still standing at the tee with 5 balls in the lake . . .
    (As an aside, this is why understaffed and underpaid public funds have no business doing private investments. The feedback loop is so long as to necessitate deep dives into the portfolio and at public funds, you have neither the people not the time to do it well . . . )
  • Brian
    This was some really top notch reporting. The few VCs I know give the impression of very savvy and pretty earnest investors - this is pretty eye opening on the downside of paying fees for management versus performance. Even more scary is the lack of due diligence or discipline by the public investors - if their constituents read this, I have to imagine some heads will roll.
  • GeekMBA360
    Great post. This is why I truly believe venturebeat is one of the best in covering high tech industry -- you have the gut to report on controversial issues and take on the "mighty VCs", and you have the analytical skills to break down issues.

    Just like banks are going through a tough time, the VC industry is another industry that requires serious reform and regulations. It's time for more transparency and visibility into what's going on in the VC world.

    Thanks again for this great post!
  • Matt Marshall
    @Larry

    Yeah, there's some conjecture here, but I tried to concede that where there was. no one returns my calls. I'll gladly update if anyone gets back to me with more conflicting data. I'm most surprised by the PR department at Washington State. That woman hasn't returned a single call over three years. I know my messages are getting through, because her executive assistant says she passes them on. But with the Seattle newspapers on the rocks, I'm wondering who will follow up if I don't....
  • Ryan
    Matt -- great article. Sure, it has some conjecture, but this is the type of combined analysis and deep understanding that I love to see in VentureBeat. Keep up the good work
  • agree with the above - very good post. I'm not an expert in how VCs raise funds - would be interested in a post about the middlemen/dealmakers, a la NYT's article about Rattner & NY pension fund from yesterday: http://tinyurl.com/dg2e7p. Who are Silicon Valley's "placement agents"?
  • Dan
    Kudos, Matt. Excellent work on a very important but practically not covered issue. I think if investigators look there will be a lot of NY Pension-type cases. It's going to depend on state law but I know that many VC firms give quite lavish perks to their LPs. Given that the government-employed decision makers usually aren't very highly paid, these perks can be quite meaningful to them. I would bet there's more than just laziness going on here in many cases.
  • anonymous geek
    Outstanding reporting. In the crowd that is techcrunched, gigaomed, and venturebeaten, a post like this will keep me coming back to read your writing.

    r
  • Economist
    This is just so amazing! Investigative reporters should check into this relationship between State of Washington Investment Board and Oak Investment Partners. WSJ just reported Steven Rattner of Quadrangle Group involved in inquiry on fees. Even if no wrongdoings, it is definitely irresponsible for State of Washington Investment Board to invest some funds with poor returns.
  • Josh
    I guess I am in the minority here. This seems like all conjecture and very little reporting. There is no first hand information here and a lot of speculation as to the value of the portfolio. Since a fund is a 10 year investment, it's not uncommon to see low IRRs from recent funds. It would be helpful to see Oak's performance against funds in the same vintage year so people know whether 5% or 1% IRR is above or below average. Just because someone doesn't call you back doesn't mean that you get to speculate as to what's going on and report it largely as fact. Maybe bad things are afoot, maybe not. This article doesn't help inform my opinion. But like I said, I seem to be the only one who sees it this way.
  • Data
    Is this what passes for "reporting" these days? What a steaming pile of crap! I don't respect Oak any more than the next guy but this piece is completely full of it. I would certainly hope that "Venturebeat" subscribes to fund benchmark data, and assuming they do, they would know (it took me all of 30 seconds to do the query) the following

    1998: Median=1.8% Top Quartile=11% Oak=55% -> Way into Top Quartile
    1999: Median=-6.6% Top Quartile=0.8% Oak=-4.2 -> 2nd quartile (above average)
    2001: Median=1.5% Top Quartile=9.6% Oak=1% -> just below median
    2004: Median=-0.7% Top Quartile=12.5% Oak=5% -> 2nd quartile (above average)

    So Venturebeat must know that Oak was above average on 3 of 4 funds and just below on one, way above on the last. (Either that or you are negligent for not bothering to check.) Put another way, statistically, Oak's returns are significantly above average for the industry. Yet you still chose to present the data the way you did.

    Granted, I wouldn't think that would qualify one to raise the largest funds in the industry, but isn't this data really more of an indictment of the VC industry overall than of Oak? You certainly wouldn't know it from this article. You have lost all credibility with me.
  • Matt Marshall
    Data,

    Where are you getting the data? Is it self-reported? Is it comprehensive?
    Do you have a name?

    Yes, it certainly is an indictment of the VC industry overall.
    And what does it mean to be barely above average in an industry that is awful? I think that's a point I was trying to make. Many firms are going under, and here's a firm producing very mediocre returns getting backed year after year -- in part by public money.
  • Data
    It is Venture Economics data, same as most people use for industry analysis. If you don't have a subscription most B-school students or VCs should be able to pull it for you. I believe it is a self-reported sample but I don't know of any cleaner source (and self reporting would normally serve to inflate the benchmark, not understate it.)

    Maybe I was too harsh in my language. I agree with what you're saying here overall about the VC industry and the fee structures. And I imagine Oak is just as faultable here as any though I don't know the specifics of their fees. As an aside, I would argue VC comp is on average more aligned with true risk-adjusted performance than either LBO comp or hedge fund comp but they're all problematic. And, yes, VC returns have been pitiful for a decade. But so have public equity returns, and no one is accusing public pension LP of malfeasance for investing in big mutual funds.

    What I object to the tone of the article that seems to implicitly impugn the character of the GPs and LPs involved, not just the results. The idea that the only way Oak could have raised their past funds was through "smug relationships" or LP laziness doesn't hold water for me on the basis of the info you've provided. As of 2004, the last Oak fund you report (I don't have their return data only the industry benchmarks so I was just using your figures), one would have seen one great fund in 1998, and probably two that were average or above but too early to tell. It seems what should happen is now happening -- they are being forced to downsize their next fund significantly (and I'd imagine accept tougher terms, too).

    The deals you list also seem to be one-sided. Oak has had a few big wins in that time period too, but somehow they weren't mentioned. One could write a similar article slamming Mike Moritz with a lot of conjecture about his big capital base (Sequoia has a lot of money under management, too, if you add up all their vehicles) and mentioning Webvan but it would be way off target without mentioning Google. I'm not saying I'd invest in Oak, but this article doesn't seem neutral or comprehensive.
  • Jim L.
    Gotta agree with Data comments. Jim Kramer today was literally screaming about how Bogle (the Vanguard guy) was stupid recommending a diversified portfolio including stock index funds to individual investors because they were flat after ten years and individual investors would have been better off listening to him and picking individual stocks themselves and doing market timing based on his recommendations.
    Looking at venture returns in a period when technology was in the doghouse (time periods ending last summer) is much the same. Pick the right (or in this case, wrong) endpoints and any returns look unimpressive on an absolute basis, and that's what you have done.
    You have to look at peer rankings and at long term returns. I was very close to the two founding partners and the bright people they surrounded themselves with and when you realize that, generally, 10% of venture investments are total writeoffs, 80% plod along with very mediocre returns but the other 10% can have 20x or 40x or 100 x returns, it makes little sense to list four or five sour investments when all of your positive return comes from a few tremendous successes.
    While I have not been involved with Oak for a while and Greenfield is retired, several of the other key partners are very good, if low key. They communicate with their partners, not the press. Always have and apparently still their policy.
  • Matt Marshall
    Data, and Jim L.,

    You guys are ignoring the size of the investments. As reported, Washington state poured much more money into the 1999 fund than it did in to the 1998 fund. So while, while the 1998 fund did great, and the state made money ($20M on $16M invested), the state lost much more value on its 1999 investment (as of that story, it had lost $30 million in value on $57 million invested). In other words, you're emphasizing the greatness of the 1998 fund, but this is overshadowed by the fact that that fund was much smaller. More money was caught in the money losing funds.

    Next, related to that, it's a little strange to argue support for a firm that is simply losing less money than another median firm, especially when the absolute amounts the firm is investing are so huge. Would you rather invest $10 and lose $15, or invest $2 and lose $4. You can play nice little games with these numbers. Even though my loss on the $2 was two-fold, and thus a greater multiple than the loss on the $10, I'd still prefer that two-fold loss because the dollar amounts are smaller.

    Jim, you talk about the partners being very good people. I have no doubt they are. I'm sure they are professionals. This is not a piece about their personalities.
  • NW LP
    @Matt - Why are you mixing Wash State's investment decisions (more in 1999 than 1998) with a villification of Oak? WSIB is just one LP in Oak. Please opine on Oak's entire investment history instead of cherry picking one LP or a few deals that have gone south.

    Also, do you really author a blog titled Venture Beat and are not aware of benchmark data from Venture Economics? Makes me question all comments about the industry. Kinda like a sportswriter covering the Mariners asking what ERA stands for.
  • Matt Marshall
    NW LP, not sure I understand what you're saying. Washington State is one of the only LPs that opens its records -- because of state sunshine laws. Most other LPs are private, so there's not a lot I can do. So we're going off the only information I can find. This is not cherry-picking.

    Why not open up and tell us who you are?

    Also, not sure what you mean about not being aware of benchmark data for VE. I'm quite aware of it, and addressed the question above. I think you're missing the point. Oak was smaller in its earlier the years -- it was tight and focused, and thus primed to do better, and especially in 1998, was well-timed for the boom. Oak's 1998 fund was a mere $101 million. Anyone should have made money back then. Companies with no profits, and barely any revenues were going public the following year. Then, Oak chose to raise a fund the following year, in 1999 for $1 billion. And then again in 2001, for $1.6 billion. It plowed all that money into companies that weren't going to do very well. It moved quickly to become a much larger fund, at a ridiculous pace. So yes, it's 1998 fund performed much better than Venture Economics' benchmark, but its contributions were tiny because it had a small fund. Contrast that to the lousy performance on those two later huge funds. Because its funds were larger than the average, the weak performance -- even if was in line with other funds -- is magnified all the more because of the sheer dollar amounts.
  • An LP
    Data,
    Just because someone is top quartile doesn't mean they've done a good job. Top quartile is a fiction that allows people to claim that they're the tallest midget and then give themselves false kudos. Another LP blogged about this fallacy a while back:
    http://www.lp2dot0.com/blog/2008/07/tyranny-of-...
    So indeed, Matt's article is an indictment of the industry, but the Oak guys have been among the most cynical of its practitioners.
  • Many VC firms enjoyed the flood of liquidity over the past 10 years and it's true that some are better at raising funds than investing them, but over time economic realities will force changes in relationships between GPs and LPs. Excesses will be squeezed out of the system and it will return to equilibrium in time.
  • bob
    nice article; here's a post on the Venture Capital supply chain that fills in a few definitions as well.
    http://kipmcc.wordpress.com/2009/03/21/venture-...
  • Matt,
    Thanks for letting us know where those fat tax checks we all just wrote are going.

    You've got a mission and I owe you a drink.
  • GoodMojo
    They say: tell me your friends and I'll tell you who you are.
    In the VC world, it's: tell me who you invest with and I'll forecast what your IRR will be.

    Check up Oak's link up with Worldview, Crescendo and others over the last ten years.
    Any surprise why Oak's returns will be any different from their co-investors (who are all in the deep red)? Who had bad mojo and whose bad mojo affected who else...is left for homework. LPs already voted on that by not investing in funds started by some of those named partnerships so maybe Oak claimed it wasn't their bad mojo but someone else's.

    To the list of bad investments noted in the article add those companies Oak invested along with Worldview (OnStor? Commverge? 3Par?...) and others.
  • anon
    Bravo. A very nice piece of reporting.
  • Amit Kanodia
    Matt - your article made some interesting reading, but it was quite one-sided to be fair. Just as a case in point, you mentioned 4 of their troubled investments. To be fair, you avoided mentioning, say 4, of their outstanding investment successes I can readily think of. 1. Gmarket - Oak was the only early investor in this company that was recently acquired by eBay after kicking their backs in South Korea and going from zero to 60% market share in 4 years since Oak invested; 2. Athenahealth - the best performing IPO on 2007 on NASDAQ where Oak was the single largest investor as I understand; 3. aQuantive - Oak was an early investor in this company that was acquired by MSFT for $6B as someone else mentioned; and 4. TeleAtlas - one of only two global mapping companies, recently acquired by TomTom. Again, I am not involved with them but going by recent exits only. I cannot think of too many venture firms that have had that kind of success in the last decade, if you will. I think you would have served your readers better if you had actually done some research (even looking at their website) to give a balanced story rather than engaging a very one-sided, biased story. If the Oak partners did not speak with you, may be you could have just checked their investments that have been public successes and spoke with their CEOs at the very least. Good luck next time and I look forward to reports that are more balanced that this one!! Amit.
  • Matt Marshall
    That's fair, but most of those great results would all be showing up in their fund IRRs, which we've reported on in the past (see my link in the story to past coverage, where I mention several of Oak's good investments). Gmarket is an exception, being a recent exit worth mentioning, and only four years old. But for the others, remember all of those companies are fairly mature and have been around for years, and we've reported on them in past stories. So fair enough, point taken, but that's mainly pointing to past, not future.
  • Amit Kanodia
    Thank you for your quick response. Assuming you are on the west coast, you are up early!! Anyway, your willingness to engage in an open dialog is encouraging. I was only mentioning the 4 companies to balance your 4 examples, which to your point are also old investments - I tried to match the vintage of your examples with the ones I put up. Though I could argue that the jury is still out there on HuffPot (which I personally don't necessarily think was a smart investment, but who knows), Rearden Commerce, and Visto - 3 of your 4 examples - their destinities have not been proven as yet (who knows, one of them could even hit the cover off the ball, as they say!). Only 1 of your 4 examples is a done-deal. Anyway, as for future returns, one could look at their existing portfolio - I hear just great things about Demand Media (may be you could speak with Richard Rosenblatt, the charismatic CEO there), Kayak, RazorGator, eSolar, iHealth - each one of them could be a fund maker - and of course the details are in the details. As I said before, you should do a follow-up to this article and tell us what the CEOs of the existing Oak portfolio companies say about these guys. They have a large enough portfolio of existing companies (one thing I think you missed out on criticizing Oak for!) that you should be able to speak with a decent number (even if on a no-names basis) to get the real story behind their success / lack thereof - and hence the promise in the future / lack thereof. To judge the future based on one blow-up (BabyStyle) and 3 companies whose destinites are TBD, from a portfolio of hundreds of companies, is totally myopic or subjective. Also, to your point of IRR, I guess their biggest investments are not realized as yet, and hence held at cost (yielding a -0% IRR) and so to a math-challenged mind like mine, it would appear that the low IRR has more to do with arithmetic than anything else as yet. I am humble enough to think there is another side of the story that you have not reported on. Thank you for your openness again.
  • Matt Marshall
    Hi Amit,
    It's generally recognized that IRRs are reflective of a fund's overall direction after about five years (firms generally mark up the value of their portfolio companies as they make progress and raise money at higher valuations). Clearly, there are exceptions, but that's the rule. With such massive fund sizes, Oak will have to have some successes merely to break even, so i'd sincerely hope they have some solid companies in their portfolio - and I'm sure they do. True, the reference I made to Oak's deals was indeed selective, not doubt about it.
  • Amit Kanodia
    Hi Matt - you make a great point. But as a student of the industry, I think your comment above actually is a very critical one. Typically early stage VCs put in monies in stages, Series A, then B etc. And they mark up the earlier rounds to the most recent round price (sometimes they mark down too). and those markups are all paper gains and to be meaningless. I only think of a markup when money shows up in my bank account! Now, Oak has left the VC business for all purposes or to a large extent. Most of their investments, they are the only investor and they dont have the Series B, C, D....phenomenon to artifically mark up their investments. So, I suspect a lot of their investments are at cost and dont have the artifical paper gains you refer to. I am sure they are in some of those kinds of club deals with later round markups (I would not know) but mostly I see Oak in investments where they are the sole investor these days (like their most recent investment in Clarient) versus in a staged or phased investments where they would benefit from these markups. At the end of the day, it is cash on cash return that should matter to investors and I think the proof is still in the pudding in the oven as far as Oak is concerned (and I dont know which way it will go) but you definitely rushed to judgment. Thank you again. You are a smart guy, obviously.
  • Concerned Pulix
    Matt - this was a very interesting write up and one that actually requires a lot of further investigation. What is most ironic here is that the States invest in funds like Oak without knowing where their monies are actually spent. All someone like you needs to do is to get all the flight records of their two private jets - N990AK (99 marks the beginning of their dismal performance with fund 9 in 99) and N120AK (12 marks the last of their big funds - 12!). While the auto execs were heavily criticized for their use of private jets, Oak has more private jets per partner than most Fortune 100 companies in the US has jets!! Forget about assets per partner, Oak sets their own metrics for heights of arrogance. I wish you or someone would expose their unreal ways - they make the hedge fund managers of Wall Street look like innocent school teachers!