Security

Snowden: “If I end up in chains at Guantanamo, I can live with that”

Image Credit: The Guardian

He looks like a man with a lot on his mind. Thinner. Jacketed, but not well-slept.

On July 10, Edward Snowden — possibly the biggest whistle-blower in history — gave an interview to The Guardian editor Alan Rusbridger and reporter Ewen MacAskill in Moscow.

In the 13-minute talk, the former National Security Agency contractor said he was resigned to someday being imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay, that he’s not a Russian spy, and that Google Hangouts has been totally infiltrated by U.S. intelligence. (You can read the transcript here.)

The pale-faced Snowden further disclosed that he had reached out to U.S. officials about getting a fair trial in the States “and they declined.” In the interview, which was filmed inside a Moscow flat, Snowden said he was “very fortunate” to have received asylum in Russia.

When asked by the interviewer if he thought technology was compatible with privacy, Snowden, 31, said yes.

“Absolutely. Technology can actually help increase privacy, but not if we sleepwalk into new applications of it. … There shouldn’t be a distinction between digital information and printed information.”

He vehemently denied being a Russian spy and said his former NSA bosses would have known it the moment U.S. intelligence assets suddenly went quiet. His denials don’t jibe with former KGB major general Oleg Kalugin, who exclusively told VentureBeat that Snowden was working for Russian intelligence.

Kalugin, for his part, did not provide proof. See my interview and story on Kalugin here.

When asked how his Russian was coming along, Snowden laughed and declined to speak a sentence for the camera.

“The last thing I need is clips of me speaking Russian floating around on the Internet,” he said.

Later, Snowden was asked about cloud computing.

“Do you think this is the end of cloud computing?” the interviewer asks.

“I don’t,” Snowden said. “What cloud companies need to pursue to be truly successful is what’s called a ‘zero knowledge’ system, which means the service provider host process content on behalf of customers. But they don’t actually know what it is.”

“That’s the only way they can prove to customers that they can be trusted with their information.”

Snowden laughed when asked if he used Google and Skype. He said no, because both company’s had been thoroughly compromised, so he avoided them.

Snowden is wanted by U.S. authorities on charges of espionage. He is currently thought be living on the outskirts of Moscow.

 

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54 comments
Douglas Steward
Douglas Steward

IT SEEMS THAT I WILL HAVE TO BE LIKE MR. SNOWDEN IN TAKING ON AMERICA FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR ALL NOT JUST SOME!!! I HAVE ASKED AND CALLED AND THREATENED AND STILL AMERICAS REPUBLICAN MANIAC CRIMINAL COPS AND THEIR COHORTS AND NO ONE ELSE IN AMERICA HAS INVESTIGATED MY COMPLAINTS AND ALL I HAVE IS THE MANYH YEARS OF TORTURES TO REMEMBER IN AMERICA STARTING IN OHIO AFTER THEY MURDERED MY FATHER JUAN EDWARD STEWARD OUT OF THE AIR FORCE AND LIED ABOUT IT TO KEEP THE TRUTH FROM BEING KNOWN!!! THE ONLY WAY FOR MOST VICTIMS TO GET JUSTICE IN AMERICA IS TAKE THE LAWS INTO YOUR OWN HANDS!!! GET READY AMERICA FOR MANY VICTIMS TO START TAKING THE LAWS INTO YOUR OWN HANDS WHEN YOU REFUSE TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT AND FORCE TRUTH AND JUSTICE FOR ALL NOT JUST SOME!!! 2022715988 INVESTIGATE OR NO JUSTICE NO PEACE NO PEACE NO JUSTICE!!! 2022715988

Anthony Topper
Anthony Topper

So many of these comments make me said for our country. Such ignorance. People need to read some history.

Scott Wright
Scott Wright

Jason you know better than trying to reason with these kinds of people and if Snowden ended up @ Guantanamo he would be living better than about 70% of those funding it! I doubt he would find it to be very healthy for him anywhere anymore until he safely deposits some vital information that a lot of people wouldn't want getting out!

Juan-Pierre Kriel
Juan-Pierre Kriel

Jay Inchaustegui, it seems you are speaking another dialect of Klingon. But since I do not understand Klingon and my first reaction to a language I do not know being spoken to me is to mumble the exact words back to the initial source, "Thevonly Wsy" to you too my friend.

Jay Inchaustegui
Jay Inchaustegui

Dude...we all (except the liberal media) are so over you! Enjoy the rest of your life in Russia because thevonly wsy you're coming back to America is in a box!

Sheawnu Smith
Sheawnu Smith

Instead of staying in Russia, coward come home and stand before our judges, you can live with spending your days behind a cell in Guantanamo so it should be easy for you to do your time here.  You look malnourished, please hurry and die, i hate seeing you in the news papers, you are a big sell out to the country. 

Brenda Rivas
Brenda Rivas

snowden had a pair of balls, and stood up to everyone and everything in his way. he is to be commended. if we could all do just a little bit of what he did, America wouldn't be so screwed up like it is now. I myself i'm ashamed of this nation. it has reached  a disgraceful level.  now I don't even want to live here. there are far to many better countries to make my home in.

Alexander Muse
Alexander Muse

The stress must be overwhelming. Truly a man without a country.

Alex Valderrama
Alex Valderrama

There must be a thousand Snowdens throughout the world. Technogy that uncovers secrets can probaby be delivered on an app. In fairness, how does this man become judged at a time when there are over 40 wars going on in the world? Which of those secrets he uncovered started any of these wars. If Snowdon is an ememy then that should make anyone with a computer a suspect.

yuri arthur
yuri arthur

To Snowden:  US jails aren't bad to spend the rest of your life in. Don't choose Guantanamo - they are for criminals who planned to destroy America. That is not what you did. You spilled information that hurt individual privacy for which government refuses to acknowledge notwithstanding the fact that Google, Yahoo and the rest of the media acknowledge it in their agreement with subscribers.  Americans who are against you overlook the fact that America has become a Big Brother government, pretty much like Russia - so what I've heard. What you did simply alerted every American to do no evil because Big Brother is watching. Very patriotic and very American. You succeeded. Unless Russia is treating you badly and stories are that you still have money: defect already unless Obama forgives you.

Francisco Garcia Jr.
Francisco Garcia Jr.

The US basically turned on him after he showed how the US was spying on us, yet he is the "traitor"? Let's not forget what is happening here and yet nothing had changed. The Gov, Congress continue to trample on our rights and are getting rich, while doing it. The real "traitors" is the Gov, Obama is a scapegoat for those that can't see the real truth

Vittorio Bava
Vittorio Bava

he would deserve it, but those people (lamentably) gave Obama a Nobel Price for Peace, I suppose it's a matter of coherence...

Dan King
Dan King

Look who's all brave and sh(I)t now.  Traitor.

Brandon Sims
Brandon Sims

In other words, the people that were sending him money have lost interest, even with his recent jab at Dropbox. This "whistleblower" revealed information that no one really cares about anymore. Is the government really monitoring our phone calls? Um, sure... since the 70's. Are they really "spying" on us? Not if you read your entire wireless or IS contract before signing it. Who are the people that care? Only those with something to hide. I don't care who sees my information as long as no one uses it to open accounts and stuff like that. The government isn't doing that. Oddly enough, taking the private information of someone or company and using it for your own gain... that's exactly what Snowden did. Yeah, he cares so much about the people being spied on that he ran away. If all that information is being watched that closely, wouldn't the government have known what Snowden was looking at, and wouldn't they have tracked him as he was traveling? The fact that he is still on the run actually proves that he has blown the whistle on... nothing.


If you don't want anyone having access to your info, STOP BROADCASTING IT TO THE WORLD ON FACEBOOK, TWITTER, AND SO ON. Do a Google search and you'll find millions of people that were caught by local government because of their social media posts. The government isn't sifting through our info the way some idiots think. They're checking Facebook and stuff like that.


99% of the people reading this know that Snowden is a whistleblower but have no clue what he revealed (without doing a search).  Most people know more about Kim Kardashian than Snowden. That's how important he is. He thought he could ride this hype out, but no one is interested and there is so more money coming in. Just like I said when he tried to promote that online storage company (that no one remembers) when he tried to talk down about Dropbox: he was paid to endorse a product as a last attempt to get money but even that fell on its face. Once that is gone, he'll either disappear for good or he'll flip the script and begin talking surrender. That was just Las week and here we are. When he gets back here, I wonder how long it will be before his book comes out. 


Oh, was I not supposed to know about the book deal?


Snowden, give up the sad white boy act. You're too old for that and no one cares. Yes, you're a whistle blower. No one cares. Also, you revealed government information that was supposed to be private. No one cares about that either. The government is not looking for the average citizen. They're looking for the people that want to blow up marathon runners in Boston, people that want to hijack airplanes, and stuff like that. This isn't big brother. What the government monitors makes NO DIFFERENCE to the lives on anyone except those that seek to do us harm, or it scares the people searching things like child porn and how long will my child survive in the car. Get off of your high horse. Government surveillance is so common that many shows are based on it, like 24. In that show, Jack gets the bad guy. In real life, 9/11 happens and we say the government knew but didn't act fast enough, then we turn around and get mad at HOW they knew. 


Snowden, you should have just found a sugardaddy.


Kathy Tran Wilson
Kathy Tran Wilson

He's so dramatic. If he could really live with living in chains at Guantanamo then he would have never left in the first place!

Dan Herrin
Dan Herrin

Ahhhh....I love the smell of "Traitor" in the morning.

ton tonn
ton tonn

I don't know if Snowden knows we are in a new type of warfare.  The kind of war we haven't seen before.

These are the type of war we are going thru: 

  - terrorism war : we enemies are among us.

  -cyberware        : where other countries can attack american system with a push of a bottom, such as 

                                 are power grid, water system, banking and food and etc.

  - cyber thefts    : The chinese are stealing America dry and with of trillion of dollars thru cyber.



Each big war was won because of having different strategies to counter, from standing up and march in line, to hiding behind rocks and trees, guerrilla warfare and now thru terrorism and cyberware.


I thought America Gov't come up with NSA was to face this new type of war, where we have an higher percentage of winner.

We disrupt the terrorism and found the Al Qaeda leaders and eliminate them. We are still not able to stabilize the chinese  other countries cyber war and cyber thefts against our country. 


We are in a changing world and facing a different type of war. We are in a war situation, a terrorism war. It's going to be a long war.

War is terrible and people die. We should realize this, and judge our gov't decision on creating the NSA was to counter this new problem and keep american safe.


Some war solution, citizens's right will be taken.  It's almost like a cancer patient going thru chemotherapy where some good body tissue will be harm, but its a solution to kill the cancer cells. 


Yes! any institution and solution we create has a side effect and must be tune to make it workable.

This is  where I disagree with snowden's action, he sees the U.S. gov't action is all wrong and he judge it as we are not at war or facing new problem in the world. And his action to inform the whole world is terrible. Any family issue should be resolve within a family.

He came out against NSA on a notion that the gov't violate its citizen privacy, then he went out  reveals more then that about NSA spy on foreigner and how NSA did it. This doesn't go well with me especially on the foreign engagement, because all countries do this, especially against the U.S. For Snowden to tell all on this, doesn't go well with me.  He put american first line of defend in danger. I strongly think he is a traitor and unpatriotic  to this country.


Here is a question I like to ask Snowden:  How do you fight or solve  today War ? What can our government do to protect us from today foreign aggression. If his solution is without taken any citizen's right, I'm all for it. If he doesn't have one, then he is a fool, jumping on someone solution.


Michael Gifford-Santos
Michael Gifford-Santos

Cue the Two Minutes Hate against Snowden.

Meanwhile the real offenses committed by agents in our own government who have flagrantly violated the Constitution and our rights go largely unchallenged. We now have secret courts, secret prisons, ubiquitous surveillance, militarized police forces, extrajudicial drone killings, etc. These crimes have now been exposed, but so many Americans are docile and timid to the authoritarian state we find ourselves under in the name of 'national security' — a favorite go-to of fascist regimes.

They've turned Orwell's work into a playbook.

Sanity is not statistical. Two plus two make four.

DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER

Sean Hitch
Sean Hitch

The structure of Social Security numbers being provided like a password is faulty. If a social security number was a set of two matrices, and the form provided a pattern for the sum mod 10 to be written down.. over time, and many forms the matrix could be broken, but if a person just had two or three forms with the dynamic number generated, they wouldn't be able to reproduce the correct number without the matrix card. Snowden is expecting some magical guru to come along and fill in all the details, when companies and the government can't even use a simple scheme. The government probably spends billions on finical fraud with banks, but can't even fix a structural weakness like ssn. Then they expect people who could use a better secure system to pay for their weak security structure.

I wonder if Snowden is expecting to much of government.

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Michel Beaussart
Michel Beaussart

If he ends up in chains at Guantanamo: I can live with that too.

Carson Waite
Carson Waite

If I could be the one to knock this ass**le out, I would also make sure he gets a 5 inch chain link, 10 feet long shoved up his as*......stay in Russia you bastard...

Joshua Darlington
Joshua Darlington

More like a year in solitary confinement stripped nude to "prevent suicide" or whatever. Bradley manning is a more realistic example. But if he's smart he will stay in Russia and make dramatic public statements to make his host happy. As long as the USA is Ina a post 911 state of exception aka martial law, there is no chance he will get reasonable and appropriate whistle blower protection the the us justice system.

Thomas Chenhall
Thomas Chenhall

Why he angry at himself? What is he telling us here?

Ramon Estandarte
Ramon Estandarte

The latest discovery that Apple has surveillance implants in more than 600 million iPhones and iPads may be attributed to Snowden's disclosures. Only MINDLESS SHEEP would consider this man a traitor.

Danny Williams
Danny Williams

I wonder what people thought the Patriot Act was. Snowden didn't do anything but give the media a hero for when they thought the story was ready to talk about. He is no hero. He's a Russia loving traitor.

Bridgette Dunn-Ignatova
Bridgette Dunn-Ignatova

That would be a waste of a good looking man. For crying out loud, we don't have enough of those to be locking them up. lol (The man did nothing wrong as far as I'm concerned.)

Douwe Mik
Douwe Mik

Ah well, a little time in Russia will make you yearn for GITMO eventually...

Michael L. Plumb
Michael L. Plumb

He can share the cell with Chelsea in Leavenworth for all I care, but it's total psychosis to think that he would ever, under any circumstances, ever be placed at Gitmo, a facility that does it's intended job , but will closed at some point, likely sooner rather than later. No way, no how this admin, for all it's lack of judgement at times (I still voted for Obama twice, btw), would even consider putting him there. To do so would be utter political suicide with the little Progressive base they have remaining. Also, he has nobody but himself to blame for his current situation and grand disillusions. Real sad case, I hope he returns, faces the music, and is locked up for life, but gets the mental healthcare he so desperately needs. I'd also be fine paying for him to get real help in federal prison, certainly more so than the cosmetic surgery we're on the hook for with Chelsea (she can be whatever she wants to be, but sorry, particularly in federal prison, the reassignment surgery is an optional luxury taxpayers should not be on the hook for).

Andrew Stover
Andrew Stover

For what? Do you have any proof that what he's done has harmed any asset network or operation?

Bård Lerberg
Bård Lerberg

Most people in Norway and in Europe wants to give this years Nobel Peace Price to Snowden. But the people who decide this can't do it, because they have to take care of their friendship with US and Obama.

Jason Klugh
Jason Klugh

Todd, do your research, get educated on the topic and perhaps you would view the facts and what he has dine differently. The typucal respinse like that is blanketed with ignorance.

Manish Patel
Manish Patel

I'm fine with that too. When's the gender change surgery.

Brian Harrington
Brian Harrington

@Brenda Rivas Instead of leaving, why don't you try and make it better. VOTE.

yuri arthur
yuri arthur

@Brandon Sims What are you so mad at Snowden for? For letting the American people know this has become the Big Brother regime? You are barking at the friendly visitors.