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Survey: Coding bootcamps actually work. For the graduates, at least

Above: Python Obscura was the theme of the Hackbright-led Master Class at DevBeat 2013.

Bootcamp school-finder Course Report commissioned a survey of 432 bootcamp graduates and found that the average salary of those who enrolled in such bootcamps increased 44 percent ($55,000 to $85,000) and full-time employment jumped 26 percent [PDF].

More interesting is the fact that 69 percent of respondents who reported starting out with no programming experience ended up with a full-time job in tech.

The unemployed are turning to a new cottage industry of programming education bootcamps to get in on the lucrative tech market. Dev Bootcamp, General Assembly, and Launch Academy are among a new breed of schools that charge students around $10,000 and promise gainful skills in only a few (intense) months of instruction.

“I had zero programming experience, went to DevBootcamp, landed a first software engineer job at Ancestry.com for one year, and I’m now working at Uber,” engineer Guillaume Galuz told VentureBeat via email.

Of those without a college degree and with no coding experience prior to their bootcamp, 71 percent now have a full-time programming job.

The rest of the report’s conclusions need to be taken with a big grain of salt. Course Report has a vested interest in the outcome of the survey. Additionally, it’s a highly unusual sample: Only 48 percent of the students had a full-time job prior to joining a coding camp. That compares to the full-time employment rate for college grads of 85 percent for those who graduated in 2008.

Given the dire straights of the survey population, it’s easy for most any schooling to show a big positive impact.

Unlike massively open online courses (MOOCs), some of these bootcamps also offer leadership training and job counseling to nudge reluctant students into graduating. However, they are much less flexible than online courses and a lot more expensive (MOOC provider Udacity is about $150 per month).

But this is the first report I’ve seen on the new crop of tech-focused, in-person vocational schools. It’s a promising sign that these high-intensity training camps can produce coders super quickly and for relatively little money.


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13 comments
Peter Cao
Peter Cao

– How could a simple campus atrocity case turn into a series of fascism crimes?

Sebastian Thrun, Udacity Co-founder, had collateralled with a criminal suspect named gabriele scheler in a series of fascism crimes starting from a Stanford campus atrocity case — Stanford police case number: IR #04-111-0335;Victim: Peter Cao; Criminal Suspect: Gabriele Scheler] — http://t.cn/SXQ6Rj — attention to the 7 photo evidence to see how cruel people from this fascism circle are — here is the link to this criminal suspect Gabriele Scheler’s website —- http://t.cn/RPbiq5G —, which led to the tragic death of an innocent Asian Stanford student, Thrun is not innocent in an unsuccessful plotted murder on me either and I have been cursed by fascism powers from Sebastian Thrun and Gabriele Scheler’s side for many years.

— Miscarriage of justice is going on;

Peter Cao
Peter Cao

Why did my comments missing? --- equal opportunity and freedom of speech :)


Nowhere would like to advocate personnel associate with fascism crimes, nor covering up their fascism crimes; and protecting human lives and their basic rights of living supersedes teaching, doing research or doing business; Udacity's co-founder Sebastian Thrun's behaviors are problematic in the first place; and those fascism crimes associated with Thrun are against the basic principles of humanity, and are the most disturbing issues that bother us all ; Everyone has the obligation to fight against such anti-humanity crimes,

Justin Nahin
Justin Nahin

Traditional college is not efficient when it comes to teaching true skills that can be utilized in the marketplace. I believe bootcamps target a specific area of expertise in a which a student can apply to real world problems.

Kou Navi
Kou Navi

For any type of educational system to succeed and serve its purpose, 3 components need to work: Curriculum quality, teacher ability, and process. These can vary vastly from case to case. And that is only half of the equation. If the student is dumb or not interested, the recipe will not have the expected results anyway.

Ibolya Balog
Ibolya Balog

There is training and there is education and they are not the same.

Michael Donovan
Michael Donovan

And part of the money making system. I think your analysis, Joshua, has merit!

Giuseppe Frustaci
Giuseppe Frustaci

Awesome that 38% of students are women. Its great to see more women getting into tech and the bootcamps helping to make it happen. The employment would probably be higher if all bootcamps offered job placement services like LaunchAcademy, DevBootcamp, HackReactor, Flatiron, and MakerSquare. 


Joshua R. Simmons
Joshua R. Simmons

No. A part of the puzzle, though? Yes. Bootcamps are great for getting networked and getting the basics. But most skills are crafts that require more than just stuffing your brain with information. If one wants anything more than very junior positions, one will need experience and the mental models that come with it. They won't replace universities which give students a deeper understanding of the field and help students to be well-rounded and better understand the context in which they're operating. Nor will bootcamps get 100% of the autodidact market share. That said, I think we'll definitely see more of them and I think that's a good thing.

Carly Jepson
Carly Jepson

 It's great to hear that the bootcamps work for some people.  I thought hardly about signing up for one but ultimately, I couldn't afford it and didn't have the time.  Because of these reasons I signed up for an online programming course from Learn to Program.  I fell in love with online courses and have learned several programming languages and am now able to create my own websites and apps for various platforms!  For those interested, here's a link to LearnToProgram's summer club membership-- it's only a dollar for the first month! https://learntoprogram.tv/course/ultimate-monthly-bundle/?coupon=SUMMEROFCODE2014

Peter Cao
Peter Cao

It is a tough task to fight against such anti-humanity crimes which are fascism by nature; As a victim of a series of fascism crimes associated with Gabriele Scheler, Sebastian Thrun and the likes, what I posted on the web are no more than facts, facts those fascists I challenged dare never publicly deny; I bet such of their fascism crimes would not be tolerated anywhere in human society; If anyone disagree, especially those I publicly challenged, please give us a candid answer right here on this board; — equal opportunity and freedom of speech :)

Peter Cao
Peter Cao

Miscarriage of justice is one horrible horrible thing that could ever happen to human society; it could result in the victims being further victimized; it could produce retaliatory fascism crimes directly from the judicial system;

That day, a man named JayJones argued in comments part of an article titled “Get schools out of the 1890s” by Mr. Newt Gingrich on cnn dot com, that — “Apparently they are tolerated in human society, since neither of them have been arrested or imprisoned. What is your definition of fascist?” —

======== My Answer =========

Dear Mr. JayJones,

— Miscarriage of justice is going on, and that’s why neither Sebastian Thrun nor Gabriele Scheler have been arrested or imprisoned so far, while I as a victim am further victimized by their retaliatory fascism crimes; the case remain mystified and incomplete so far; and at this stage, the real problems are coming from the judicial system; Justice has not been done;

— The fact that Gabriele Scheler or Sebastian Thrun have not been arrested or imprisoned so far does not mean they are tolerated in human society; at least I know San Francisco State University fired Gabriele Scheler and Stanford partially fired Sebastian Thrun due to their involvement into such fascism crimes; and I am pretty sure both of them would be universally rejected as more and more people learn the fascism nature in their crimes;

— As I said before: “We are all made of human beings; you have your judgement, and we all have our own; Anybody with normal intelligence could easily figure out that there is something seriously wrong going on in this case;” I wonder who’s the officer handling Gabriele Scheler and Sebastian Thrun’s case? How would they explain the brutality from Gabriele Scheler on my body as evidenced in those 7 photos, in the first place?— http://t dot cn/SXQ6Rj (replace ‘dot’ with . to get the right web address) —

— What’s the real identities of judicial officers (namely ZZZ/YYY/VVV) handling Gabriele Scheler’s recanted testimony? How can I see their materials to accuse me? Can you let us know? I have serious questions to ask them;

Peter Cao
Peter Cao

— There is actually a war between fascism and anti-fascism, at this stage, fascism still prevails in our lives; Sebastian Thrun and Gabriele Scheler are just front figures we could see in a fascism circle, there is a whole pack of fascists behind them to cover up their crimes and to retaliate on victims;

— However, Those fascism crimes associated with Sebastian Thrun and Gabriele Scheler and the likes are against the basic principles of humanity, such fascism crimes have to be disciplined by laws and such fascists like Gabriele Scheler and Sebastian Thrun and the likes have to be brought to justice; they can’t escape from it :)

— Sebastian Thrun 一方法西斯势力对歧视谋害弱小无辜毫无悔意,他们至今仍认为他们歧视迫害弱小无辜“是当然的(certainly)应当的(plausible)” — 在此案未澄清前,和那些法西斯份子没有认识到歧视谋害他人是有罪的之前,这个法西斯份子 Sebastian Thrun 不适宜被宣扬;Sebastian Thrun 和他背后的法西斯份子行为有违人文主义基本准则(against the basic principles of humanity), 他们应当受到法律制裁;

Peter Cao
Peter Cao

The point is, though I am a victim while Gabriele Scheler a criminal suspect, my life has been underhandedly cursed and systematically molested by fascism powers behind Sebastian Thrun for over 10 years without an end ever since Gabriele Scheler recanted her testimony and falsely accused me at somewhere unknown to me in the judicial system; Sebastian Thrun and Gabriele Scheler’s follow up retaliatory crimes had been collateralled by some officers (namely ZZZ/YYY/VVV) who’s handling Scheler’s recanted testimony in the judicial system, and who hided their identities from me during these many years till today; Neither did I ever see their materials to accuse me, nor did I get a chance to defend myself; i.e. their underhanded retaliatory fascism crimes are coming from the judicial system, as well; — Miscarriage of justice is going on;